Joe Calzaghe vs. Canelo Alvarez (15 year Calzaghe vs. Lacy Anniversary)

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by iceferg, Mar 4, 2021.

Who wins

  1. Joe Calzaghe (prime) Points

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  2. Joe Calzaghe (prime) TKO

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  3. Canelo TKO

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  4. Canelo Points

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  1. Chuck Norris

    Chuck Norris Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Calzaghe would outpoint Canelo if they fought prime for prime. However Canelo wouldn't get dominated or demolished as some are saying here.
     
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  2. shadow111

    shadow111 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    LOL Don't try to twist it, you're the one who claimed Canelo specifically pushed for a catchweight vs GGG. You know damn well you have no evidence to back that claim, it's just a wild "belief" you have. There's been spectulation that De La Hoya as a neogitation tactic tried to push for a 155 catchweight. He said as much in an interview. I'm simply saying, you're wrong in trying to attribute what De La Hoya said or did to Canelo. If De La Hoya tried to get GGG to fight at 155, that's De La Hoya, not Canelo.
     
  3. The Real Lance

    The Real Lance Boxing Addict Full Member

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    :lol: You are just trying to play games w/ words now. Semantics when you have no valid argument. As the MW champ, Canelo had NO REASON to agree with his promoter to only fight 3G at 155. Canelo obviously was perfectly fine with it until the pubic backlash became too much. Canelo could take a whiz on your face and you would call it rain...
     
  4. shadow111

    shadow111 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Again, you have no basis to claim that you know for a fact that Canelo himself specifically instructed De La Hoya to demand a 155 catchweight for GGG. You want to believe that, just like you want to believe that clenbuterol was intentional cheating. I will remind you that not only is there no basis to your claim that Canelo himself was behind trying to get GGG to agree to 155, but even if he was involved in that decision, how would that be any different than what Mayweather, Pacquiao, Cotto, or Ward already did to other fighters including himself?

    How are you so blind to not see the blatant double standards going on here? Mayweather, Pacquiao, Cotto all were involved in catchweights which involved a fighter being drained, to gain an advantage in weakening their opponent making it easier for them to win, which everyone now agrees is wrong, but it only became seen as "wrong" when there was talk of Canelo making that demand out of GGG. With Ward it was arguably even worse than a catchweight as Dawson agreed to go down an entire weight class to meet Ward at 168 becoming a corpse in the process. GGG said he'll do something similar to what Dawson did for Ward and drop down a full weight class from the only weight class he's ever fought at, Middleweight, to 154 to fight Mayweather. All that happens but then Canelo who already had to fight Mayweather at 152 then Cotto at 155 because Cotto was defending the MW Title at catchweights, all of a sudden can't ask the same thing he had to go through of GGG? And again, the fact of the matter is that, it never ended up happening.

    If you're right that Canelo realized it became a bad look to ask that out of GGG, and decided to fight him at the full 160, again I ask you how did it all of a sudden become a bad look to ask that out of a fighter after it wasn't a bad look for Cotto to ask that of Martinez, or Pacquiao to ask that out of Cotto, etc? Canelo has clearly been held to a completely different standard than these other fighters. But in the end, he never ended up actually draining a fighter like any of those guys did, so even if you're theory is right, which you have no way to prove, it's still a moot point anyway because it didn't end up happening. At most it was only a negotiation tactic. And remember this was after the WBC had already stripped Canelo and given his belt to GGG which was highly suspicious of collusion between GGG and the WBC. Now people want to complain about WBC demanding unjust mandatories at SMW like making Canelo fight Yildirim but back then, WBC could do no wrong in giving Canelo a 15-day timetable to agree to terms with GGG when was the mandatory.
     
  5. lepinthehood

    lepinthehood The Stoneman Full Member

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  6. The Real Lance

    The Real Lance Boxing Addict Full Member

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    BORING and BS....
     
  7. Themessiah

    Themessiah TheMessiah Full Member

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    Cant stand Canelo but he'd definitely take this.
     
  8. El Gallo Negro

    El Gallo Negro Active Member banned Full Member

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    Old Joe would be too much for Canelo I think. Joe was far more physically strong than people give him credit for.
    I just can't get the image out of my head of old and feeble Sergey Kovalev jabbing the hell out of Alvarez all night before the pressure finally got to him and he wilted like a flower in that last round.
    I think Calzaghe would pull out one of his embarrassing massacres like he did to RJ and Lacy
     
  9. El Gallo Negro

    El Gallo Negro Active Member banned Full Member

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    No way smokin Joe would put on a clinic
     
  10. shadow111

    shadow111 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    You make up stuff, believe what you imagine, then try to pass it off as factual. I provide you with context, expose you as a fraud, you give up.
     
  11. The Real Lance

    The Real Lance Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Hmm...no. You're just a blind little kid w/ a crush on a boxer. If you don't know how to make a succinct point w/o adding all the superfluous garbage of your posts, that's on you. Maybe sign up for remedial English or something. NO ONE cares to read your overly worded garbage.
     
  12. drenlou

    drenlou The Real KING OF THE HILL! Full Member

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    Calslappy got dropped by guys who are not even as skilled or precise a puncher as Canelo, and i dont think Calslappy would be as accurate either given Canelo is one of the best defensive fighters in the game. Calslappy was a good fighter but his notable victories are against aging Legends. Prime for prime Canelo would legitimately win 7-5, 8-4, with esb scoring in 12-0 for slappy.
     
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  13. The Real Lance

    The Real Lance Boxing Addict Full Member

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    What "legends" did Canelo fight above 160? Hell, go ahead and include 160, as we both know you don't consider 3G a legend at all. Canelo has fought ONE legend, Floyd at JrMW and got schooled.

    Since you were still in kindergarten when Joe C was still active, you wouldn't understand that he wasn't nearly as popular as Canelo is here. He had more haters than Canelo does.
     
  14. drenlou

    drenlou The Real KING OF THE HILL! Full Member

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    Im 37 actually been watching boxing since i was 6, in fact first fight i ever watched was Tyson-Douglas then a month later Wrestlemania 6 when warrior beat Hogan. Doesnt matter what legends or future legends Canelo will beat by the time his career is over which im sure will continue to add up, hes still young and in his prime at the top of the sport where Calslaps was never able to obtain, that said it stands in the books that his best wins arent over the hill Eubanks, Reid, Lacy, nor Kessler his biggest wins will always be looked at by boxing experts as Hopkins and Jones. Now if they werent dinosaurs when slsps beat him then i dont know what is.

    That said h2h Canelo still has all the attributes to beat calslappy and the readons i mentioned before, i stand by them but of course youll just argue against it because youre a miserable man with no caribou to hunt..
     
  15. bluebird

    bluebird Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Calzaghe bigger and longer man, he wasn't adverse to clincing on the inside and he had good footwork.