Joe Calzaghe Vs Carl Froch: Who wins in their Prime.

Kessler
Abraham
Froch
Chad Dawson

Trumps Calzaghe's wins at 168lbs - Manfredo, Eshira Evans, Mario Weit and Lacy

Let's not even compare them at 175lbs either.

You're right, it's not even an argument.

 

Calzaghe fought in world title fights in America twice, Denmark and Germany, so travelled also
Froch didn't face better opposition overall

Frochs best win is a faded Kessler that Calzaghe beat years previously when an undefeated unified champ

Frochs next best win is arguably Bute which isn't as good a win as Eubank

Calzaghes era was much stronger
I will post an old post that will give you the idea

 

I can't imagine anything other than a Calzaghe decision.

 

never happened
never know

 

An old post below



Its not stronger at all. Once you remove Bute and Ward there isnt a great deal. Just look at today compared to 05

Back then there was in 2005

1. Calzaghe undefeated world champ (best SMW resume ever)
2. Kessler undefeated world champ (undefeated and not suffering double vision)
3. Lacy undefeated world champ (undefeated with a better resume than most of the current SMWs)
4. Beyer (3 time WBC champ with a better resume than most of the current SMWs)
5. Mundine (2 time WBA champ)
6. Danny Green who became a world rated CW and had a fair SMW resume
7. Siaca (former world champ)
8. Grant (former WBO MW champ)
9. Reid (former world champ, and fighter that looked unlucky against Ottke and who beat Magee when undefeated, who is now WBA int champ)
10. Andrade (undefeated at this time and looked unlucky not to KO Bute years later and beat Steiglitz)

Now today you have

Champ.
Andre Ward whos biggest win is 05 #2 Kessler

1. Bute whos biggest win is who? Maybe Berrio or possibly WBA int champ Magee who Reid #9 in 05 beat years previously when undefeated
2. Froch who has lost to unwell 2005 #2 when unwell and coming off a loss
3. Steiglitz who lost to 2005 #10 Andrade
4. Oousthuizen, who has he beaten thats up there with like some of the 2005 fighters?
5. Bika who is rated so high now by doing what? Beating Manfredo, because I cant think of a bigger win tha he has and Bika lost to 2005 #1 Calzaghe years previously and couldnt beat Soliman at first ask who was clearly beaten on more than one occassion by Mundine 2005 #5
6. Groves, whos biggest win is a MD over 10 and 0 DeGale whos big win was P Smith. groves has only had 14 fights and although doing well in a short career is given a big status for little.
7. G Johnson who was a SMW journeyman who couldnt compete at SMW. Johnson has lost more fights than won at SMW and now with his biggest win of Green coming off a loss and well in his 40s he is a top 10 SMW atsch I could show you the form line of who Johnson lost to and then show you how it compares to 05 but I think you get the point.
8. Dirrell whos biggest win is?? Abraham maybe who cant compete with top SMWs or Oganov possibly. Who has Dirrell beaten for his rating?
9. Abraham. Now it is looking bad. Abraham cant seem to compete with fair SMWs and gets not just beaten but almost shut out, even by Froch who is slow and doesnt have a good workrate. Abrahams big SMW win is Taylor coming off a KO loss
10. Rodriguez. Tell me who he has beaten then?


You would even struggle to say yeah but the fights didnt happen then because they did. Calzaghe beat Lacy and Kessler as well as Reid. Kessler beat Beyer, Mundine and Siaca. Beyer beat Green as did Mundine and Siaca beat Mundine etc.

As you say hype has built it up

 

Do you remember Calzaghe had already beaten Kessler?

Tell me what Dawson's best SMW win was?

Tell me what Abraham's best win at SMW was? Did he have a win as good as say Mitchell did in beating F Likes?
Can't wait for the answers to this

Tell me how Froch was a better win than Eubank?
This will be good

 

Calzaghe points is the only answer

Nobody is getting knocked out

 

Below is an old post...


Calzaghe beat 3 undefeated fighters who had or went on to claim a SMW title.

dont duck the questions below

1. Someone tell me which top undefeated fighters Ward has beaten at SMW?
2. Tell me which top undefeated world champs Ward has fought at SMW?



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Andre Ward............VS.............Joe Calzaghe
Froch.....................................Kessler (Kessler the better win) (Kessler beat Froch)
Kessler...................................Eubank (Eubank the better win)
Dawson..................................Lacy (Lacy a proven SMW and winner of 5 SMW title fights. Dawson no pedigree at all at SMW) (Lacy the better win)
Abraham.................................Mitchell (Mitchell a 2 time SMW champ who had never been clearly beaten, only lost by debateable SD in Germany to Ottke, had KOd long time SMW champ Liles, beaten a future SMW champ twice, compared to AA who had done nothing at SMW) (Mitchell better win)
Bika.......................................Brewer (Bikas best win became Manfredo, Brewer had beaten H Graham and was a SMW champ) (Brewer the better win) (Bika was previously beaten by Calzaghe and at that time and had been out of the ring bar less than a round for a while)
Green.....................................Woodhall (Woodhall a SMW champ, who had beaten a reigning SMW champ, a world rated former champ, a future SMW champ and Branco a world rated SMW who became WBA LHW champ, who at SMW beat R Reid and G Johnson who when old and shot KOd Green) (Woodhall a better win)
Miranda...................................Bika (Bika now a top 5 SMW had drawn with 3 time SMW champ Beyer) (Bika a better win)
Buchanan (?????)......................Sheika (Sheika a better win) (Sheika was coming off a win over G Johnson and was a top 10 SMW at the time)
Camou (?????)..........................Veit (Veit a SMW title holder who had a fair resume, better than at least 2 of the current top 5 SMWs) (Veit a better win)Then include the Reid win and then the other top 10 SMWs and its clear Calzaghe is well ahead. I could have put Mkertchyan ahead of Green, Camou, Miranda, Buchanon


Tell me how Ward has done more than that at SMW?

 

It wouldnt be an easy win for Zaggers, but i do see him winning a competitive decision. 115-112 Type of decision.

 

No offence but i'm not going into a full on debate about Froch and Calzaghe's opposition, all the points you've made i could easily counter with such things like.

Reid = Coming off an abysmal performance losing to a 40 + Sugar Boy Malinga
Woodhall = At the end of his career coming off losing to Markus Beyer whilst getting floored 3 times in the process

That's just two examples

It's pretty easy to discredit anyone's resumes if you look hard enough, but i would say Froch fought bigger names at Super Middleweight. And was willing to challenge himself more, Calzaghe should of moved up to Light Heavyweight sooner, and challenged himself more just my opinion but it is what it is.

I still think Calzaghe would school Froch, so either way you feel about both men's resume. The fact is Calzaghe is a better fighter and i think that's pretty set in stone.

 

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Calzaghe probably outworks him, even if Froch has always been able to keep a high output himself.
Would have been a fun fight to watch.
Joe could actually crack before his hand injuries. The way he lifted Eubank (who even past his prime still had an iron chin) off his feet with his rear left hook early on was impressive.

 

Thinking about it tho i'd pick the Eubank Calzaghe fought to **** the Taylor that Froch fought up… people say he was shot but he wasn't even 30 LOL… And the guy moved up to cruiserweight & beat the snot out of Carl Thompson after that.. he was also far more seasoned at super middleweight thanTaylor.. and was coming off controversial losses to Steve Collins whereas Taylor was coming off clear losses to Pavlik .. also note that Calzaghe's performance against Eubank was a boxing masterclass whereas Froch struggled badly against Taylor.. I think that's just one example of the gulf in talent between them and also an example of the why the whole resume thing isn't as clear cut as people think.. respect to Froch he's a great fighter and he went on a tear but would the like of Abraham or Groves really beat say a Mitchell or a prime Reid? It's not as cut and dry as people think.. Mitchell for example has a quality resume and was a two-time WBA champion.. and in all honesty should've been unified champion as well but he was robbed against Otke.. I personally would be pretty confident matching this guy up against a host of names Froch fought ..

 

Yeah I never understood the Ward has a better resume than Joe narrative. Yes Ward and Froch had the Super 6 tournement that elevated there resumes but Joe still has the better wins for me in terms of an unbeaten Kessler. Reid and Lacy. I would still rate Eubank as a very good win as well considering his abeit losing perdormances up at Cruiser. Also there's several fight's for Froch where he was getting beaten like againt Talyor bedore pulling it out of the bag. I think Froch's best win is Bute who I think was a little overrated and avoided the Super 6 which I think would have exposed him and his chin sooner. As for Ward he beat Kessler and Froch both of which had already been beaten and Dawson was weight drained at Super Middle and looked out of sorts. Kessler was fouled multiple times and the not small Froch was also bullied by Ward until he started to gas. Ward could find a way to win but was clearly bolied down at the weight and didn't stay there long enough for me to be in the conversation as GOAT at Super Middle.

 

...utter dog****.