Joe Calzaghe vs Carl Froch

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by red cobra, May 27, 2012.


  1. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    I've explained why it matters in posts since, but briefly:

    1) The judges decision should be respected when they appear respectable. Views on television are, as you have said yourself DIFFERENT to those scored at ringside. A "win" is only a win if it is deemd to be a win at ringside - otherwise all scorecards have equal value in spite of the fact that all cards constitue very different points of view. Someone in row Z, someone watching in HD, someone ringside, will all have a different point of view. Ringside is the one that the fighters have to worry about

    2) Serious fans of boxing should be policing offical decisions, not overturning perfectly reasonable ones.

    But, frankly, I'm pretty bored discussing the whole thing now. I can't really takes someone seriously that lists a loss as a win because a close fight went the other way on their card.
     
  2. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    You don't have to take it seriously, that's the whole point. My opinions are based on how I saw fights not how other's saw them.
     
  3. Flea Man

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    Thanks for the reply.

    As for the choices, as I said, fights that I think are close, I give credit to the official scorecard whilst taking note of what ech man did.

    Again, unlike Luf, I'm less 'reversing the decision' as I am giving credit where credit is due. Therefore, IMO, a good performance in a loss can add merit to a fighters standing.

    Didn't make them move up the rankings I imagine, but for my own personal rankings, which again mean NOTHING in the grand scheme of things and are pretty much there for me to organise my opinions in preparation for debate, so I don't think I'm really misunderstanding the sport.

    As for my Froch-Dirrell comparison: it was a SD. It seemed depending on where you were sitting you did see both outcomes.EDIT: didn't see post above. Seems we're on same wavelength here.

    Neither man gets much credit from me here. Dirrell was horrifically negative, and Froch ponderous and clumsy.
     
  4. McGrain

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    Definitely.
     
  5. Flea Man

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    Looking back it seems it's luf's standpoint you're mainly criticising anyway :lol: Feel free to spew at me if I've assumed incorrectly ;-)
     
  6. McGrain

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    Spewed at is right...

    But to each their own.
     
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  8. Bill Butcher

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    Calzaghe is a class above Froch IMO, I think he is too fast & too active for Froch, plus he has the chin to take Froch`s punch & the stamina to outwork Froch from round 1 til the last bell.

    I`m not saying he`d win easily or shut Froch out but he`d win very clearly in a tough but clear cut victory.
     
  9. Flea Man

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    :-(
     
  10. Flea Man

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    The first reply

    Hopefully my consistency will allow McGrain to take me seriously again ;-)
     
  11. lufcrazy

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    :lol:

    I think you're in the middle of me and mcgrain here, the happy medium which means you're probably the most suitable way of doing things (i'm a big believer in the median you see)

    I don't overly see the big deal to be honest, me thinking dirrell beat froch changes nothing in the big scheme of things does it?

    Here's an interesting question though, based on the fight between the two, how would you predict a rematch would go? I know i'd take andre by decision. Although he didn't get the victory last time out, his performance leads to believe he would do so if they fought again.
     
  12. Flea Man

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    As I say, I was there and Froch won clearly.
     
  13. lufcrazy

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    Yeah like you said, depending on where you sat you saw both outcomes.

    Who would you pick in a rematch?
     
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  15. Flea Man

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    Froch. He'd still throw more I imagine, while Dirrell will land rarely, but more cleanly.

    Another opinion divider I imagine. Andre's inactivity and lack of top flight tests might work against him, it might mean he's sharper than a battle worn Froch?

    Interesting, but I don't think Dirrell deserves a big fight anytime soon.