Joe Calzaghe vs Carl Froch

Lufcrazy, you must be trolling? Surely you don't actually believe that wins over Bute, Abraham, Taylor, Johnson and Pascal, with losses to Kessler and Ward, is a greater legacy than wins over Eubank, Reid, Woodhall, Mitchell, Veit, Sheika, Lacy, prime undefeated Kessler and Hopkins?? Looking at the guys Froch has beat, only two of them have ever won a belt at SMW. Eubank, Reid, Woodhall, Veit, Kessler and Lacy were all champions, former and future champions. Just about everyone has picked Calzaghe for a reason atsch Joe would also overwhelm and beat Ward. Also Hopkins barely landed anything meaningful past round 5, at which point he was winning 3-2 on rounds with a KD. Joe then went to shuy him down, wear him down, and land the better punches. This whole 'Hopkins got robbed' is a myth that even the HBO Hopkins apologists disagreed with. He deserved to lose for faking that low blow alone, that was disgraceful to the sport, no doubt the likes of you lapped it up and called it 'old school'.

 

**** off with your 'belts' rubbish.

Veit was shite. Calzaghe gets kudos for mashing him in a round.

Sheika was a longtime contender, but never much cop.

I hate giving value to 'belt holders'. You're either no.1 or a contender like the rest of 'em.

 

Belts are an achievement, and often in divisions there's no clear number 1.

Sheika beat a prime Johnson, an old Johnson was considered a notable win for Froch.

Once again, the likes of Taylor, Pascal and Abraham achived nothing at SMW.

I'm failing to see how Froch's resume is better than Calzaghe's?

Bute is a comparable win to Lacy, and that's Froch's best win at SMW.

 

:good Yes.

As for the thread question, I think Froch wins a close decision.

Calzaghe, unlike Bute did not constantly move backwards in straight lines. He would often spin his opponent, and he was a very relaxed combination puncher. Calzaghe would not let Froch get set early on.

Froch would make it very awkward for Calzaghe however, as he does not charge in face first, a lot of his punches come from his trunks, and he has a fantastic chin. Froch would constantly bore in on Calzaghe and take him out of his stride as the fight wore on. I think Froch's straight right would be particularly difficult for Calzaghe to deal with.

Calzaghe is not the stronger man here, nor the harder puncher. It would be a riveting fight, and would go the distance as both have good chins. Froch definitely takes it over 15, though it would be a lot closer over 12.

I don't know why the Ward fight is being mentioned, he is fast, elusive and tactically astute. Just a nightmare.

 

Belts are not an achievement unless it is between the no.1 and someone else.

 

Using that argument, I can shoot down the achievements of most fighters in the modern era. I don't think that's fair in many cases

 

I think it is. I hate the modern era.

 

Who do you consider the WW champion, Mayweather or Pacquiao? Does the other not get credit for winning titles in the division?

 

Mayweather. If people want to 'strip' him after his post-Hatton retirement, he came back and beat Mosley and beat a top ten contender afterwards (Ortiz) even if he was a poor fighter.

Luf disagrees with me big time on this. Only when the real champ' is fighting much lesser opposition than the no.2 guy and not fighting the no.2 would I break with lineage.

 

Interesting, I agree if you follow the line that Margarito was the man, Mosley destroyed him, then Floyd took Mosley apart, no-one has beat Floyd.

So using your line of logic, the only time Roy Jones was ever a champion in his career, was when he beat Tarver, making him the LHW Champion briefly until the rematch.

 

I'm saying it's the man and not the style. Just because ward pulled it off doesn't mean joe can.

I think carl is stronger and has more purchase on his punches. This should see him win the exchanges. He's never met a pressure fighter as good as carl.

Joe still follows the rule book, he just as quick feet. Carl attacks in a way that wouldn't be taught, more importantly he does so successfully.

 

I will take this into deep and thoughtful consideration.

 

Tell you what, i'll list my top 8 froch victories at smw. You list joe's and we'll compare:

Kessler
Bute
Pascal
Johnson
Taylor
Abraham
Reid
Magee

 

Flea, you done made me play my trump card now!

Who do you consider to have been the top sfw: serrano or arguello