Joe Calzaghe vs Dmitry Bivol

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  1. eltirado

    eltirado Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Dimitry Bivol doesn't look like a Moldovan. Moldovans are the odd Latin speaking population of the former USSR, Dimitry Bivol can easily pass as Kyrgiz (his birth place). More so than a Molodovan (his father) or Korean (his mother). Assuming that his biological father is an actual Moldovan and not some Kazakh high ranking Soviet officer.
     
  2. vast

    vast Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Calzaghe beats him, although i like Bivol and believe it would be a nice technical matchup.
     
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  3. Liquorice

    Liquorice Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Tricky fight for Joe, Bivol is quality, but he's not a super middleweight and all of the high-profile names he has fought thus far are fairly one dimensional one trick ponies not remotely comparable to the welsh wizard ..
     
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  4. Rilz

    Rilz Ball don't lie! Full Member

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    Thanks for that interesting bit of knowledge, I had no idea.

    I was under the impression Latino is specific to people of the Americas with Spanish or Portugese blood, and not used for those who are European born.
     
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  5. eltirado

    eltirado Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    In the American sense it means a mostly native American Latin speaking particular individual. The "Actual" Portugese-Spaniard minority in the Americas usually shy away from identifying with "Latino" and view themselves as Spaniard or Portugese.

    In reality Latin is the Latin speaking population of the Roman empire, once extending from Britannia (prior to the Danish conquest) to Moldova in the west, these areas had actual Latin speaking Roman troops settled in the area, when the empire collapsed...their identity was strong enough to continue speaking Latin, (British Latins were subverted by the Danish Elite minority, that is why we are speaking Danish today), the systematic Danish subjugation passed down to Celtic subjects and finally the Danish bucket of Cold Nordic oppression was passed down to the warm lipped Bantu subjects.
     
  6. HolDat

    HolDat Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Calzaghe wins by waiting until Bivol is 37. ;)
     
  7. Perkin Warbeck

    Perkin Warbeck Boxing aficionado Full Member

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    Moldovans are not Latino, they are Dacian. The Romanian/Moldovan language somewhat resembles Latin because of Trajan's conquest and the period of Roman rule.
     
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  8. eltirado

    eltirado Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Latin came when the Slavs where obviously still not around, Greeks were busy in the Sea and those native Para Indo Europeans (various groups that went through some partial Indo-Europeanization at various stages of there migrations), they were clearly Quasi-Indo European, with little literature to prove who they actually were, what survived is what was Quasi-Indo-European: Thracian-Dacian and their related Albanian-Illyrian downstream group. Languages didn't become a big deal until governing came to place and the Govt wanted to tell their subjects very important things (laws and regulations involving taxation and marching there children into battlefields), before that humans didn't need to learn a language, because they were still free.

    If Romanian-Moldovan-Vlach wasn't Latin it would have never survived the big Slav waves surrounding them from every direction. Why would they continue to speak Latin at a point when there was no political or liturgical (Orthodox) benefit from using it. Once the West Roman Empire dissolved only real Romans held on to the only language they knew, many native Latin speakers learned a new language and moved on.
     
  9. Richmondpete

    Richmondpete Real fighters do road work Full Member

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    Can't think of a single reason to favor Bivol
     
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  10. Reinhardt

    Reinhardt Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I totally agree with your lack of a second gear comment, that's exactly why Bivol drops a wide UD to Joe.
     
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  11. sid

    sid Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I like Bivol he's good but Joe beats him UD as said.
     
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  12. Badbot

    Badbot You can just do things. Full Member

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    We need to see more of Bivol. Imo there is something missing from him. He can punch, but rarely goes for the kill. He lacks that killer instinct and any kind of urgency. Pretty much ends up throwing arm punches instead of proper power shots.

    Bivol got lucky that he was able to tie up Smith so effortlessly. That referee made his night really easy. The moment Bivol would grab and hold, the referee would break them up, even if Smith was actually able to work out of the clinch. And that is something Smith does best, throw powerful punches from the pocket.
     
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  13. Clinton

    Clinton Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Bivol is good but hes not beating Calzaghe
     
  14. northpaw

    northpaw Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I feel like it goes the way Calzagher/Kessler, Joe has some rough spots early and pulls away.
    Calzaghe will ultimately drown him in activity.
     
  15. Ivan28

    Ivan28 Active Member Full Member

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    After Bivol - Beterbiev we will know who would have win that (with Calzaghe).
     
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