Joe Calzaghe vs. James Toney prime/prime

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  1. Fab2333

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  2. digiram

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    Gotta agree with you. After all of this back n forth hypothetical ****. It all boils down to nothing.


    Boxing's great.
     
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  3. CASH_718

    CASH_718 "You ****ed Healy?" Full Member

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    Toney isn't Jeff Lacy or Byron Mitchell, Calzaghe isn't going to hit him at will like he did those guys.
     
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  4. paulfv

    paulfv Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I agree with this. That said, Toney is sneaky, so he could "Nunn" or "Prince Charles" Calzaghe. At 168 or 175 Toney could hammer people.

    While Joe's reflexes and speed are up there with RJJ's, I don't think he would be on his bike like RJJ; that's not how Joe seems to fight, which could hurt him in this matchup, because you KNOW he's not stopping Toney.
     
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  5. paulfv

    paulfv Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Ha ha! No, he sure isn't.

    And that made me think of what a matchup between Toney and Lacy would look like.

    Toney would be in full sh*t-talking mode, just toying with Lacy until JT decided to lower the boom. That would be like some Trinidad-Reid stuff. I would pay money to see that fight, or I would have.
     
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  6. Fab2333

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    I dont think so, RJ extends his arms when he punches ad had that kind of speed and power behind his punched. Joe Calzaghe hands are no way near as fast as RJ. And plus he dont got no power behind them, he slaps people to death. I think he throws a lot of pitty apt punches, RJ punches came with power. And the speed and especialy reflexes, Calzaghe dont got that im sorry
     
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  7. BlueApollo

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    Off topic, but damn did James brutalize people.
     
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  8. China_hand_Joe

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    Joe's reflexes (his brain responding to stimuli) are up there with Roy's but Roy has more explosive speed right throughout his body -fullstop-
     
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  9. Jinx

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    hell Mitchell damn near had Calzaghe KTFO... that was a bull**** stoppage like many of Calzaghe's fights...Calzaghe lands a few slaps, Mitchell trips over his own feet, and the ref quickly jumps in...and this happened seconds after Mitchell was blasting Calzaghe...no way Calzaghe lasts the distance against Toney, who was just as strong as Mitchell at 168, with more skill and chin...
     
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  10. McGrain

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    I guess I pick Toney. I think they're earily similair in terms of quality, but I suppose Toney has proven it a bit more.

    I voted for Toney UD, but I wouldn't be placing any money.
     
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  11. Amsterdam

    Amsterdam Boris Christoff Full Member

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    Nearly had him out? He was flash KD'd, a shot that he walked into(Mitchell was known for punching very hard) and a shot with enough impact to spin his head and entire body around, yet he's up immediatley and finishes him off.

    It appeared a bit early, but Mitchell was done in mate, a few more shots and that would have been it.

    I'm not comparing Mitchell to Toney, I'm just saying that power wise, Mitchell was known as a 1 punch KO hitter, just wasn't a fast guy, but that was a perfect shot that Joe walked right into and didn't see...

    He was not even that buzzed, that shows a great chin.
     
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  12. Amsterdam

    Amsterdam Boris Christoff Full Member

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    Jones' definitley has faster hands because he's putting more into it, but Calzaghe doesn't just chop(or slap), he throws a lot of orthodox punches in the mix as well and some non-chopping unorthodox blows also, he threw some wildly(but tight)angled punches against Mitchell and Lacy(off the ropes especially) and was in different spots before they knew where he was.

    Toney's just not active enough.

    I'd rate Calzaghe's raw footspeed to be slightly better, with Jones' upper body agility to be better.

    The speed's even up...
     
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  13. Fab2333

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    thanks sweet pea thats wat i was tryin to explain in my previous posts, Joe calzaghe throws his hands fast when he is in close, and they dont reeally have any power. UNlike Jones threw combinations like no other from the outside with precision and power. Thats why I say his handspeed isnt like RJ, when you in close anyone can move their hands fast and land some pittypat punches. RJ's was fast and powerful
     
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  14. China_hand_Joe

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    The aren't pittypat punches, look at Joe's subtle body movements as he throws them -fullstop- There is some sublime technique involved -fullstop-
     
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  15. Jinx

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    Calzaghe's hands are just as fast as a prime Jones at 168?! please save me some of that vicious blunt you are smokin!:patsch
     
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