Joe Calzaghe vs. James Toney prime/prime

it was an early stoppage, get over it...Mitchell was more off-balance than hurt...kinda like when Briggs caught Lewis, it looked like Lewis was badly stunned, but he was really just off-balance...

 

Watch a video of Calzaghe in the Lacy fight, he looks like Roy Jones in fast-motion at times -fullstop- The straight one-twos are as fast as anything Jones could throw -fullstop- Jones just has the better lunging punches resulting from his superior agility in the torso -fullstop- I guarentee you too, Jones could not slap as fast as Joe -fullstop-

 

ok maybe his hands are fast, but he not hurting nobody with them. Way less power than RJ with his combinations. BUt the other things you say about Joe I can agree with

 

No your's is alot stupider.

 

Toney's been in against heavyweights and hasn't gottin dropped.

Mitchell might be the hardest puncher Calazghe's faced and got dropped by him.

Calazghe also got dropped by Salem.

 

i wasn't saying that Calzaghe can't beat Toney because he got dropped...in an earlier post i already said why Calzaghe wouldn't beat Toney, because Toney would counterpunch the hell out of Calzaghe...that's what i was referring to when i said "no way he beats Toney"...

 

Go and watch the Eubank and Reid fights before you comment on Joe's punch resistance --fullstop- Whilst Joe isn't really at all vunerable to being KO'd, James Toney has been repeatedly out-scored by elite fighters, there is nothing to suggest he could turn the tide on Calzaghe in that respect -fullstop-

 

you are severely overrating Calzaghe's handspeed, and you act like Toney was slow at 168...of course Calzaghe looked like Roy Jones against Lacy, because Lacy is slow as dirt with his hands and feet...Calzaghe ain't even the fastest at 168 right now, that would be Mundine, who has Roy Jones-type speed...

Calzaghe is no master boxer, if so he would've have struggled against Robin Reid like he did...Toney has beaten a better boxer than Calzaghe at 168, Michael Nunn...Calzaghe ain't gonna outwork Toney because Toney ain't gonna respect them slaps coming from him...Toney will punch WITH Calzaghe, and his shots will have more power...Toney TKO 10

 

Most fighters would have lost to Robin Reid on an off day -fullstop- And we are talking about a fairly green Calzaghe here, the Reid fight made Calzaghe the fighter he is today -fullstop-

 

1st prime Calzaghe -fullstop-

 

didn't say Nunn was better, just that he was a better BOXER in style...Calzaghe is overrated as a technician because of the Lacy fight, but he's really just a good athlete with speed, smarts, and physical strength...

Calzaghe is nowhere near a Whitaker-level technician...Calzaghe flurries with speedy slaps, and he has pretty good athleticism, that doesn't equal a good boxer...Toney was much busier with his hands and feet at 168 than he was at the higher weights, where he got lazy sometimes...i don't think Calzaghe would've beaten a prime Montell Griffin at 175 anyway...but like i said, Toney would've exchanged with Calzaghe, and Toney is no Lacy so Calzaghe is not going to be allowed to have the distance he had with Lacy, who has zero clue how to box(cut the ring off, slip punches, slip a jab, etc)...

 

i'm not convinced that Reid was a world-beater at any point in his career...Sven Ottke is the biggest fraud ever with an undefeated record...****in Charles Brewer beat Ottke twice, and was robbed...Byron Mitchell also should've gotten the nod...and these are the best names on Ottke's resume!

and about Toney losing to Thadzi, well that was at 175 and we're talking about the 168 version of Toney whose only lost was to Roy Jones...

 

Ill take Toney in this one.

 

If you think that JC and RJJ are the same level in their prime, then JC would also get a UD. I don't, so Toney with a UD at least.