Joe Calzaghe vs Joey Maxim (175lbs)

Maxim had an excellent chin. That is why he was not stopped. DUH.

Outside of a decent jab, Maxim did not offer much on offense. He was a grinder type, who would be out of his league vs. much faster, more skilled and harder to hit Joe Calzaghe.

I mentioned Maxim's low KO% because he won't win via Ko.

The fact that you attempt to go off tangent and list another fighter, shows your knowledge is rather limited.

Try to learn....

 

I've seen a ton more of Calzaghe than you have silly b*llocks.

 

3 points...

- you do realise that TOP men can neutralise one another.
- 2 and 3X Times the amount of fights, against many, many TOP men
- Old Film IS NOT an accurate representation of real life

dozens of fellow TOP men
the Greatest OVERALL period in the Sports History
the Press at the time spoke very highly of Maxim, his sound boxing and durability
he is a noted great
fight UP out of your division, this was EXPECTED among TOP men
you usually don't reach the top without being qualified

oh wait that's more than 3 points... so here's a few more to consider.

ALL of todays fighters would be competing in 1 or 2 divisions heavier had they fought back then... you don't get months to drop to WW or MW from a L-HW or HW body, you fight at those weights... and so would have JC and everybody else

make JC, BHop, RJJ, PBF and any other 'abbreviated' fighters you like multiply their battles by 2 & 3 times the number of fights against many TOP fighters, and their records would indeed change and some would even be found out earlier than they were... i.e RJJ vs Tarver...

loads of others would fall away too, and many, many more would sustain losses, just like all the other fighters from such busy periods.


https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=joey+maxim

the OLD Footage doesn't match modern filming improvements, but the FIGHTERS exceed modern fighters substantially.

 

nope, I didn't say people want their money back.

I said Calnuts will one day want their money back but its not dawned on them immediately.

learn to read before you reply. Another massive FLOP, mate.

 

maxim would walk through cals weakling slaps and constantly land on joes easy to hit chin, and soon joe goes down repeatedly till he doesn't get up.

 

Maxim had an excellent chin. That is why he was not stopped. DUH.

Outside of a decent jab, Maxim did not offer much on offense. He was a grinder type, who would be out of his league vs. much faster, more skilled and harder to hit Joe Calzaghe.

I mentioned Maxim's low KO% because he won't win via Ko.

The fact that you attempt to go off tangent and list another fighter, shows your knowledge is rather limited.

Try to learn.... - Mendoza

So have I. I have watched at least of of Calzaghe's fights. If you can't see the skill and speed level difference between the two...well I'm not surprised.

Maxim lost or drew in over 25% of his fights. Some of those losses were vs journeymen. Ponder that.

 

Ponder the fact that he beat 13 rated contenders 9 of them heavyweights, 4 men who held titles , and a prime Jersey Joe Walcott and only lost to him on a majority dec, and a split dec in other fights..
Ponder the fact that of his 29 losses, 6 were when he was 34 or over.
Three were to Archie Moore 2 to Ezzard Charles and 2 to Jersey Joe Walcott.
Ponder the fact that of his others 2 were to Eddie Machen when he was washed up, 1 was to Willie Pastrano,again when past it,and 2 to Bobo Olson also when past it.
Ponder the fact that 14 of his losses were to heavyweights .
Does Calzaghe beat Lloyd Marshall, Joe Walcott,Jimmy Bivins,Gus Lesnevich?

Ponder the fact that Maxim beat Hatchet Man Sheppard 3 times
and Belting Bob Satterfield ,two huge punchers.

Ponder the fact that Calzaghe was dropped by
two ancient lhvy's and Byron Mitchell.

Ponder the fact that Calzaghe never fought Chad Dawson
Glenn Johnson, or Antonio Tarver ,all rated above Jones when he met him.


Ponder the fact that Calzaghe's best wins are over Super
Middle Kessler a near 40 Jones a 43 years old Hopkins ,an unproven Super Middle Lacy, and a past it Eubanks.


Sh*t for brainsatsch

 

Thats only in assuming that JC was better than Conn, and he was not!

 

The REAL fight would have been Billy Conn vs Joe Calzaghe. Conn would have stopped Calzaghe within 12 rounds...much in the same way that he bested Bob Pastor,...with body shots, delivered with a go to hell type of conviction. Conn was faster, tougher, bigger and stronger than JC. Conn had more attitude than Joe as well.

 

Did Mendoza just call Maxim a grinder?? Maxim was a jabber who relied on his size, durability, and jab to keep guys off of him, minimize action, and outpoint his opponents. He was not a "grinder" which I would equate with an aggressive, infighting guy who tries to grind down opposition. That was not Maxim at all.

If Calzaghe could deal with Maxim's size (the guy fought most of his career as a HW) then he would outpoint Maxim based on activity. Neither guy is knocking the other out.

 

He was a durable type. As mentioned he had a good left jab, and little else in terms of offense. With limited power, Maxim fights often went the distance. Perhaps grinder was a bad word. More like a guy with a decent jab who was very durable and a survivor type.

If Maxim's game was out out point Clazaghe, he's a loser for sure. Joe's too fast and slick for him and would take a mechanical boxer ( which Maxim was ) apart / make them look bad. The best way to beat Clazaghe it to force him to trade and in-fight. And you need some power because he's going to out throw and land.

The size is about even

Maxim 6'1" 71" 1/2 reach
Clazaghe 5'11" 73" reach.

Calzaghe often fought well above the 168 pound limit on fight night. You know guys these days make weight that add plenty back. I'm sure he was in the 180's several times.

 

Maxim was on the big end of the light heavyweights and Joe was a 168lber much like Hagler and Monzon were 160lbers. Joe did move up at an advanced age and I thought won 2 convincing fights at 175 against B-Hop and Jones but Maxim was the bigger man prime for prime so this would be a decision, could Joe out-speed Joey...yes but Patterson couldn't so I am not sure

I may lean with Maxim who was proven at 175 and up

 

Maxim wins UD, he is one of the few who would out box Calzaghe

 

Maxim lost or drew in over 25% of his fights. Some of those losses were vs journeymen. Ponder that. -Mendoza

Do I really need to list the Journeyman Maxim lost to?

Drum roll please...

16-7-1 Allen

19-13-0 Sheppard ( Ko 1 )

24-20-2 Flynn

Who did Calzaghe lose to? NO ONE

Do I need to tell you who won more title matches? Calzaghe won 20 of them.

Furthermore as stated the weight of the opponents on fight night in many cases were very close between the two. 168 is essentially the light heavyweight division these days before they hydrate.

Maxim beat heavyweights you say? How many over 200 pounds? Maybe zero! Anyone can be a heavyweight, and many were back then. Your statement is very misleading, but that is part of your MO

Based on the condition they were in / the amount of times Maxim fought them ,I say yes. Maxim 1-2 vs Walcott.

A Super Mmiddle? Sounds like a tough division

I'll raise you. Maxim was down vs a 17-4-3 fighter? Hawkins? Who? More, he was down vs Booker Beckwith. Another house hold name!

POWER IS NOT A FACTOR in this match up. It will be points.

 

Curtess Sheppard was a journeyman?
He beat Dorazio,Walker Murrray,Comiskey ,Bolden,Maxim . Sheppard,and Murray were on the list you posted as credible black title challengers for Joe Louis.:huh

Johnny Flynn?

He beat Lowry,Comiskey,Bettina,Gomez,Knox.

Allen beat Lee Oma.
Beckwith beat Oma,Bolden,Burman,Krieger.

Calzaghe fought a procession of WBO nobodies and never held the undisputed corwn until he had almost retired