Joe Calzaghe vs Sergey Kovalev

Oh I got it wrong you talking about the ever hard hitting Byron Mitchel yeah ok Bailey. I got it wrong

 

Opponents nowhere near the same calibre

 

Yeah. Hopkins is nowhere near as good as Manfredo?

Hopkins had trouble with Reid. He had trouble with Kessler. He had trouble with Hopkins. He had trouble with Mitchell. He had trouble with Bika.

He won, yes, but to say he has "no trouble" with Kovalev is absurd.

 

I think Joe would have beaten Kov on a points decision.


We both know that if Kov had've landed flush on Roy, it would have been game over.

Likewise, I believe that if Kov had've landed flush on Joe, that would also have been game over.

It doesn't matter that Joe has never seriously being hurt, and he got up off of the floor every time he'd been dropped.

Because he's never been in with such a huge puncher.

I think whoever Kov fights, will go, if he catches them flush.


This is where it gets confusing.

Are you saying that if Kov had've landed flush on Joe, he could have taken it, and gone on to win?

Or are you saying that Kov wouldn't have been able to have landed flush on Joe, and Joe would have gone on to win?

Which one of the above, do you believe?


If it's the latter one, it doesn't make sense with what you've wrote about Roy.

Because Roy was extremely hard to hit clean, when he was in his prime. He had an unconventional defence, but his incredible reflexes and great footwork kept him out of harms way.

Whereas, as great as Joe was, he was much easier to hit, especially with a right hand.

Roy had the better defence.

So if you think that Kov would have found Roy early, it doesn't make sense that he couldn't also have found Joe.


Now let's look at both Roy's and Joe's offense.

Roy had faster hand speed.

He had more variety in his ars*nal.

He was more accurate.

He had better timing.

He had a lot more power in either hand.


So if you think Joe could have beaten Kov, because of his great attributes, there's no reason why Roy couldn't have.

Do you now understand the confusion?


Again, if you think that Kov is that good, he'd have found Roy early, it doesn't make sense that he also couldn't have found Joe early.

Now there's no real evidence to support the theory that Joe could have taken everything that Kov had, if he'd have landed flush.


So seeing as though Roy had a better defence and a better offense, it makes no sense that Kov would have knocked out Roy early, but couldn't have done the same with Joe.

Likewise, if you believe that Joe had the abilities to have beaten Kov, then there's no reason to think that Roy also couldn't have beaten him.

That's the confusion.


Both Roy and Joe were special fighters.

But I don't think anyone will disagree with me, in saying that Roy had a better defence, and a better offense than what Joe had.


So your predictions are way out.

If you think that Joe was good enough to have beaten Kov, it's silly to claim that Roy would have been dealt with early.


A win for Joe, and a very early knockout loss for Roy, does not make sense.


So you've either exaggerated Joe's abilities, or you haven't given a honest opinion on Roy's chances.


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Yeah you did atsch. Not sure why you are laughing rather than just holding your hands up and admitting a mistake or admitting you didnt have a clue what you were going on about. Just makes you look a numpty when you try and make silly comments to cover.

http://www.***********.com/-greatest-super-middleweights-history--11018

Also this list has Liles as the #7 SMW of all time and he lost his title by KO to Mitchell

http://www.maxboxing.com/news/max-boxing-news/the-top-10-super-middleweights-of-all-time


Imperial didnt need me to school him. He schooled himself again :yep

 

this must be your Xmas special post Loudon. such a long post for such a short comment

 

Again how many knock out did have career wise ?

And answered the question straight up !


And Liles hadn't fought in over a year at the age 34 then proceeded to lose his next fight by TKO then retired .. Nice try though Failey once again YDKSAB !

 

If there is a good possibility of Joe stopping someone, wouldn't you also have to give Roy a good chance as well?

 

Exactly.

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I think there would definitely be more exchanges in Calzaghe-Kovalev than there would be in Jones-Kovalev.

We have not seen how Kovalev would react to power and speed like Jones had, and I did see him knocked out as an amateur with a single left hook..
I think there is a decent chance Jones could catch him early to gain his respect and make him hesitant.

And Roy was great fighting backing up. That is basically how he beat Ruiz, catching him with hard shots while moving backwards.

 

No heed should be paid to what these Calzaghe fanbois are saying.

They still can't see that Kovalev a far superior tactician to Joe and also everybody who Joe beat.
Not even Team Clev could see how good Krusher was and that should tell you everything to need to know.
Clev had his career ruined after offering Kovalev a fight. These people in pro boxing , including Calzaghe could not see how good Kovalev was.

But Joe would never have taken the risk like Clev did. He almost quit in the dressing room before Lacy ffs.

 

Bailey,

Thanks for your reply, it's much appreciated. Because you've clarified your opinion out of the two scenarios that I put to you, I don't need to answer all of your points. So I'll shorten my reply, and just mention the points that are relevant.

I don't think Joe or just about anyone, could have gone on to win, if Kov had've landed clean, with great leverage at full force. We've seen Joe get dropped three or four times. So we can predict that if Kov had've landed clean, he could have dropped Joe. Now I just can't envisage Joe getting up to outbox him, just on the basis that he got back up against Salem etc. I think Joe would have won, by not getting caught and out boxing him.

It doesn't makes sense where you think that Joe would have kept out of harms way whilst boxing and moving, and Roy jumping in and out would have caused himself problems.

You say that Kov couldn't stop Bernard. But it was evident from the start of the fight, that it wasn't his intentions to stop him. It seems obvious that had he put his foot down on the pedal earlier, he could have gotten him out of there. Likewise, if it'd have been a 15 round fight.

You've said that Joe would have used angles and feints against Kov. Roy would have done the same.

Your comments about Roy in the other thread, are relevant to what you've wrote in this thread. That's the only reason I've mentioned him.

How is it debatable that Roy had more shots than Joe, in his ars*nal?

 

Kovalev has reach, and can box from the outside, as well as throw very straight punches. Slappy Joe Calsacky the Welsh ****er would be KO'd, inside 8.

 

That's right.

Roy had every attribute that Joe had, apart from punch resistance, plus he had much more power, that could well have stopped Kov moving forward.

He definitely could have hurt Kov early, and made him hesitant.

Joe didn't have that same power.

I don't agree that Joe could have shrugged off full force shots, just because he could against Hopkins and Salem etc.

To me, Bailey's predictions don't make any sense.