Joe Calzaghe vs The Following....

So you completely ducked the question atsch. Here it is again for you -
Now instead of ducking please tell me
What top SMWs has GGG beaten to show credentials to beat an undefeated proven HOFer like Calzaghe? In fact what top MWs has GGG beaten that gives you that impression?

Either way I answered you and a poster afterwards said they see it the way i felt it would go also. You also ducked when I asked why you hadnt given a breakdown of how you feel the fight would go. Double duck

 

Bump

 

I agree, but unlike us Barry Smith understands boxing and can see talent without using who beat who boxrec logic :tired. He bases his judgment on what he can tell both fighters are capable of, not simply by comparing their records, which is all I do and what you have done here.
The only thing is Barry wont give a breakdown of how he thinks it will go and cant name any fighter GGG has beaten with Calzaghe attributes. He doesnt need to :yep.
Barry has proven (like i said mentioned to another poster), that the stupid speak for themselves and Barry has shown exactly that, as well as that he ducks what he wants others to do . What an embarrassment

 

Didnt Calzaghe win the court case... Bump

 

Clazghe would be getting his arms shoved down every time he threw. GGG is a master of using his lead hand to push down his opponents arms and whilst Calzaghe has speed and output he simply wouldn't have the power to prevent it. Calzaghe also squares up and leans in with his chin up when he throws a one two, so as soon as the jab comes out, GGG would push his arm down and time Joe with his right before Joes left even comes into play. This would also prevent Joe from throwing his combinations as he wouldn't be able to set anything up and there is no way Calzaghe could adjust to out timing GGG, GGG is honestly one of the most efficient and best timed fighters I have seen in a long time, this would be a classic case of timing beating speed.

 

He sure did but as you can read from the transcript Joe was the one who had final say over all his oppoenets ?Make sure you recognize that next time you want to talk about who he chased :bart

 

But you are clueless, you thought Bute was going to school Froch, Cleverly was going beat Kovalev and I imagine you were also one of the hard of understanding boxing fans who thought Kessler was going to beat Ward.

 

Fantastic, now can you point to some examples of fighters like this, with these attributes that GGG has beaten

 

i think he beats all but GGG

 

So you are quoting someone who was in a court battle with against someone else atsch, when they feel comments had been made atsch.
I also read this
http://www.*****************/showthread.php?t=52941&

 

Cant recall ever writing that Kessler was going to beat Ward. I had read a report after Kessler beat Perdermo, that the writed felt he had dipped and timing was not right, so you will have to show me where I made that prediction. please show me where you picked for Ward before he fought Kessler. This will be good

Yes I did pick Bute to beat Froch and maybe should have taken more of the home advantage situation into account.
Can you show me where you picked for Froch? And how you thought it was going to go?

I was also one that said Froch would clearly beat Abraham
I was also one that picked Pascal to beat Dawson.

I tell you what, lets put up your pre fight prediction threads, and I will put up mine, and we will see who scores higher.

You still havent named these GGG opponents with the attributes you mentioned.

Watch Barry pull another duck.

 

There aren't any, obviously, but it doesn't logically follow that he couldn't beat Calzaghe because he hasn't fought anyone as good as him. It's called spotting ability and making an informed decision based on that. Who had Ward beat before he fought Kessler? Who had Hatton beat before Tszyu etc, you can't just write someone off so simply, boxing doesn't work like that.

 

Not sure how you can attribute an ability to fight off the back foot to GGG, seeing as it's something he hasn't ever had to do. If I'm in with a puncher like that I'm doing everything possible to smother his power. GGG isn't going to be hitting as hard when he's being pushed backward.

:huh Think for a minute about Calzaghe when he was in the stage of his career that GGG is (has a world title and is defending it against nobodies because the other champs are ducking him). When did Calzaghe ever show the defensive vulnerabilities you speak of against that level of opponent? Ouma was hitting GGG pretty much at will last I checked. Calzaghe was hardly hit until he fought Kessler.

A southpaw who comes forward constantly is always at risk for a right hand. Happens that Mitchell was a massive puncher and Hopkins/Jones were MUCH heavier in the ring than Calzaghe.

Clearly.

We'll start with your technical breakdown:

"GGG is really good at parrying with his lead hand. So that means he would knock down Calzaghe's jab and hit him with the right hand as he comes in. So that means GGG would win the fight."

Great, so now we've reduced GGG's game to being able to counter a southpaw 1-2 with his straight right and Calzaghe's game down to throwing a southpaw 1-2. Brilliant.

GGG uses stalking footwork and is very patient because he has the punch. Up to now, the opponents he faced were no-hopers and mostly spent their time backing away. (Thinking of Jeff Lacy right now, though GGG is definitely much better.) This allows GGG to study them and set them up for power shots. These opponents offer nothing in the way of offense or technical ability. GGG is levels above them. And predictably, he blows them out once they give him the opening he's looking for.

Calzaghe, against the same level of opponent, was more likely to use constant forward movement and then step to an angle to land a hard shot or a combination. After this, he resets to another side and repeats. If he's out of range, he uses the lead hand to occupy the opponent while he moves his head and closes the distance behind a combination. If he has the opponent trapped, he slap-swarms them and looks to dig in a body shot.

GGG is good because he is technically sound, knows how to create angles and opportunities for his power shots, and is able to force his opponents backward (through the threat of powerpunches) which nullifies their offense.

Calzaghe was good because he knew how to force an opponent backward and overwhelm them with the rate of activity and the constant re-adjustment of his angle of attack.

Both guys seem able to take whatever shots are thrown at them, even though both guys tend to get hit quite a lot.

We haven't seen what GGG does against a volume-punching, fast southpaw yet. We've seen how Calzaghe handled Lacy, a come-forward puncher with a very limited technical skillset. I'm not suggesting Calzaghe would be as successful with GGG who has a lot more amateur experience than Lacy, but I think the fight would play out in a similar way.

Calzaghe establishes his in and out rhythm (out of range) while fencing around with the lead hand. Then he breaks the rhythm and slips inside with a combination, then he either slips out to another side or ties up with one arm and bangs away with the other. Calzaghe is either all the way out of range, or all the way inside changing up the angle. His strategy against a dangerous puncher would be to smother his power.

GGG would look to time Calzaghe as he came in (and maybe he would succeed a few times), but once on the inside he would have to work at clinching and pushing Calzaghe back (which he is good at, unlike Lacy).

The fight would come down to whether GGG was able to hit Calzaghe on the way in frequently and hard enough to win rounds, or whether Calzaghe was able to consistently land punches on the way in before tying up. You have Calzaghe's speed and technical ability against GGG's timing and technical ability.

At this point, I haven't seen anything that makes me think GGG could win the fight. How he performs against Ward in the future will be some indication, because I think Ward would use a similar strategy for much of the fight.

 

Like Cowardzaghe would ever get in the ring with GGG :rofl