Joe Calzaghe was a good fighter

You should write fantasy novels.

Joe beating him in 2008 at LHW is completely irrelevant.

Yes, Joe was old. But he was still an elite fighter. Whereas Roy was a ghost of the guy he'd once been, which is why Joe labelled him as being shot.

Here's Joe's comments from 2007:

"I have no interest in Roy Jones. A fight would be pointless. I also have no interest in Tarver. He only beat Jones because he was shot, and Johnson did the same"

"Roy Jones is no longer a great fighter"

Roy wanted no part of Joe when he was younger?

You damn right.

Do you know why? Because whilst Roy was the best fighter on the planet, Joe was fighting on a different continent, and in a weak division which Roy had left years earlier, where he defended a lightly regarded belt which nobody respected, against mainly C class opposition.

Go and look who Joe fought from Eubank to Lacy in his 10 year reign as WBO champ. And when you look, take into account that he had to literally starve himself in order to make weight to fight those guys, when he could have moved up to LHW to try and fight more recognisable names.

You're talking about a guy who wouldn't move up even when he knew Ottke wouldn't unify with him, and a guy who was more than happy to fight a guy like Mario Veit twice.

You're talking about a guy who in 1999, said:

"I'm not chasing Roy Jones, I don't want tough fights"

He made sure that their paths never crossed with each other until he knew that Roy was shot and he was safe to fight.

A prime version of Roy was better than any version of Joe. If you don't agree, then you're either ignorant or you never saw Roy's prime.

Roy was faster, more powerful and much harder to hit.

Joe struggled with Reid and was dropped by Byron Mitchell and a euro level fighter in Kabary Salem at SMW, as he was always open to right hands.

Sure, he was a great fighter. Based on accomplishments, you could certainly claim he's the greatest SMW of all time. But certainly not on a H2H basis.

Joe would never have beaten the versions of Roy who beat the likes of Toney, Griffin and Hill etc.

 

Stop being ignorant.

That fight was stopped due to what had happened in the entire round, not specifically because of that one shot.

Kovalev's tank was empty.

He had nothing left to give.

He'd already looked in desperation for help, even when he was hit with 2 clean body shots which weren't even debatably low.

Tony Weeks stopped the fight because Kovalev was sent reeling from a big right hand, and then he took lots of other unanswered shots which culminated in him being bent over next to him.

Nobody can ever doubt that the last shot wasn't low. It was horribly low. But that fight was getting stopped regardless of where that last shot landed.

To claim he won by a TKO to the nuts is ridiculous.

He won by TKO because he'd broken Kovalev down during the entire fight.

 

Joe was obviously superior, but anything could have happened in Germany.

 

Calzaghe would have stayed down in round 1 against prime jones.

 

9 losses in a career that started in 89

 

Hey herol, bit of trivia.. who won every single belt in his division back in the 00s & was inducted into the HOF a few years back? Begins with J..

 

God bless you pal, I consider that a violation of human rights.
I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy in a concentration camp

 

the guy shot jones knoced down in round 1, that one yes. you are there.

good trivia night all round.

 

So you say calzaghe never beat an elite but you call kovalev who recently was in big trouble against a prospect and stopped by Alvarez an elite.
So tell me what was kovalev biggest win? Hopkins maybe? Yes that's your argument wrecked but no doubt you will post some further rubbish after getting owned.
The next part of your weak argument is that wards wins over kovalev have both been deemed debatable by some. The fact there is those disputes show he doesn't have a clear win as the stoppage was from what looked like a low blow.
How was kovalev at the time ward fought him more elite than Kessler when calzaghe fought him?

You obviously dwell on posts I can't even remember, though do recall writing that I feel ottke has an overall better smw resume than ward even if not a bigger singular win. Can't see there can be much debate with that if you knew the division then and now but no doubt you will try and post something based on your opinion trying to pass it off as a fact due to liking being owned

 

Jones had the Greatest forearm in LHW history .. Forearms are one of the last things to go.. Calzaghe UD Jones .. Undefeated at both SMW & LHW

 

undefeated against 40somethings is a great claim indeed.

I bet you are undefeated against 40somethings too. Cant acutally..think of a titlist who isnt undefeated against them.

 

Stop digging your heels in.

You don't possess enough knowledge.

Go and look at when the losses occurred.

 

bailey,

I never said that Joe didn't beat an elite fighter.

You always jump in without reading the posts properly.

I said that Joe never held a clear/easy win over an elite fighter.

He didn't.

Regarding Kovalev, YOU called him elite.

Again, you told me and everyone else on here how he'd have taken out guys like Roy in less than 3 rounds.

It's hilarious how you change your views to suit your argument.

Yes, he lost to Alvarez. He's clearly not the fighter he once was.

Do you think a pre-Ward version of Kovalev would have lost to Alvarez and been in so much trouble against Yarde? I don't. It seems obvious to me that he's declined and he's been affected mentally and physically by the defeats to Ward.

Fighters change.

Would the versions of Roy who beat Griffin and Hill have been bullied and then knocked out by Glen Johnson?

It's just like you rating Joe's win over Kessler, but dismissing Froch's win over him because you don't think that Kessler was the same fighter who'd fought Joe.

You own yourself you fool.

If you want me to find what you said previously, I will. I'll bump the thread which will be highly embarrassing for you.

You did the same thing regarding Ottke. You argued with me on multiple threads saying how Ottke had a superior resume to Ward. Then a few months ago you reduced it to only being at SMW, whilst pretending that you couldn't remember what you'd said previously. You're an entertainer.

How can I have a weak argument when you have misread my post and have claimed that I've said things which I haven't?

Regarding the stoppage, it wasn't stopped purely on a low blow. It was stopped due to what had happened in the entire round. Kovalev took a huge right hand, then took lots of other unanswered shots and ended up being bent over in front of Tony Weeks. If you want to claim that the fight was only won on a low blow, then that just shows your ignorance. The fight was stopped because Kovalev had nothing left to give. Andre Ward systematically broke him down. Weeks had already made his mind up, and that fight would have got stopped wherever that last blow had landed.

Regarding how Ward and Kessler were perceived by fight fans, I'm sure that going into the fight with Ward, most people would have rated Kovalev as a better fighter than Mikkel Kessler, yourself included.

You should be on a stage somewhere.

 

Joe Cal was a great fighter.

 

Cal imo didn’t beat Hop, but I could see how some say he won, and he didn’t need Roy to prove he was great.