Joe Calzaghe will not destroy Kelly Pavlik should they fight.

China Hand Joe is P4P number one poster.

 

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I want him to say some more in this thread so I can try to decode what he's up to here.:deal I'm still waiting for the trap to slam shut.

 

unless calzaghe has aged alot from the kessler fight i see him winning a comfortable UD

 

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now i'm no Calzaghe fan, and I know he is on the decline....but this...THIS....is THE most retarted thing i've read for a long time.

 

thats like sayin pavlik isnt much better than manfredo,crazy **** that m8:rofl

 

A Ghost is, by nature, ehtereal, insubstantial, and very, very, scary! You can't just slap one into submission.

 

I expect a close fight up to the 6th and of course you cannot rule out a Pavlik KO... but I expect the same outcome of the Kessler fight: Calzaghe adapts to his opponent and dominates for the rest of the rounds... experts watched Calzaghe fights one after another and still said "Hopkins got tired" "Kessler got tired". No. Calzaghe just brings the fight to another level after the 6th and so far nobody was able to follow him... Kessler was the best so far (big 12th round) but thas was too little too late...

Kelly is very solid with his style, simple but very effective and hard to break his rhythm. But Calzaghe is the master of breaking your rhythm, taking away your best weapons and especially turning your aggression and mistakes against you. Kelly's a legitimate P4P-er and still very predictable... it only takes a better fighter than Taylor to make him pay, and there are few better fighters than Jermain today - Joe is one of them...

 

Agreed...much more accurate...much better timed (to the point that most people dont even see it coming)...

Pavlik's is more powerful, no doubt about that...but its not a better right hand.

I still see Calzaghe winning a VERY WIDE UD!

 

Pavlik's so overrated it's sickening, but it descends from the Taylor overratedness from before and the fact that Pavlik is marketable.

Pavlik's sqaured up, slow on foot, leaky defence, hands aren't relatively quick and his power is by ACCUMULATION.

Kessler would annihilate this guy, much less Calzaghe.

 

Calzaghe won't have to adapt to somebody who doesn't pose a serious counter puncher risk, as he can land on Pavlik without getting much in return all night long, Kessler and Hopkins were able to time him coming in and he had to adjust, Pavlik's timing is not with those guys, nor is his delivery speed or experience.

Pavlik still has sloppyness about him and his feet are too slow.

This is not Jermain Taylor, who moves in predictable fashion and has a very leaky defence himself, as well as a lack of poise, this is the very awkward and unpredictable/adaptable Calzaghe vs. someone who's totally 1 dimensional without serious physical gifts.

Calzaghe having to adapt to Kessler has no bearing here, Kessler had only lost a handful of rounds to superior comp than Pavlik faced and Pavlik's been in battles with the likes of Zertuche, Zuniga and others, he's 1 dimensional and limited.

 

Oh oh, here comes Amsterdam with his Kessler/Calzaghe and Pavlik/Taylor analysis.

 

It's as relevant a comparison to the 4 combatants as it gets. Watch the ****ing fighters, see the difference in ability and class.

Pavlik, even without a comparison analysis, has issue's that I highlighted anyway.

The comparison comes up because Joe's already beaten a superior boxer-puncher to Pavlik in Kessler, yet people are thinking a lesser, more predictable fighters beats him?

 

OK, then what mades Andrade so dangerous? Does he have great hand speed? Great power? He's limited physically just like Pavlik but he does have things that's harder to measure. Sort of like Pavlik. He's got a sturdy chin. He's relentless. He comes forward and puts pressure on you. And his workrate and stamina is off the charts.

What makes Margarito dangerous? Similiar reasons.

I understand that when you analyze Pavlik and Taylor, you only look for the negatives. And i understand that this is your problem and not ours.

 

Andrade is much more durable than Pavlik, that makes him more effective, he's also got underrated movement speed, he'll surprise you on how fast he can get around the ring.

But, Kessler beat him 12-0, so what's the point?

Pavlik-Andrade is a good match, would be a war for how long it lasted, though I favour Andrade because he is made out of steel and is the stronger fighter in my opinion, Pavlik being pushed back is not effective and I think with Pavlik's chin vulnerability, he'd not have the jaw to stand up to Andrade and therefore could not keep pushing forward, he also hasn't shown the defence or boxing skill needed to outbox him.

Andrade also has a freakishly long reach, 79 cm I believe, and he has solid timing with his awkward work.

Margarito is similiar to Andrade, but has less power and is a measure slower and sloppier. Chin comparisons can't be made just yet, until one of them gets KOed.

I look for what factors will lead them to a bad defeat to a seriously better specimen, finding no real advantages for either. You guys see what?

If there is no clear advantage for Pavlik over Calzaghe, except for youth and punching power, then why would he be considered a real threat when Joe has beaten better fighters?

 

116-112 Calzaghe if not more.