Joe Calzaghe?

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  1. sean

    sean pale peice of pig`s ear Full Member

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    how about amatuers then to prove calzaghe`s pedigree.

    in chris byrds last fight as an amatuer he fought one joe calzaghe in a amatuer tournament in italy where they met in the final and chris byrd was stopped for the first and only time of his long amatuer career, by calzaghe.
     
  2. cpnasty

    cpnasty Fight Fan 83 Full Member

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    You know **** about boxing
     
  3. Benjiabc

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    good post:good calzaghe is personally my pound for pound number 1. biased or not. hes always stepped up to the plate and he will do against hopkins again. and hopkins did duck joe in his earlier days. and there was a reason for that. hes only fighting him now because hes expected to lose. which he will.



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  4. Bomber

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    A voice of clarity is needed ladies and gentlemen. And a little insight into the subject, as a few myths and ego fueled wankery is occuring.

    Firstly, It took me a while to walm to to Calzaghe. Id followed The middleweight division when I first got into boxing as It had the best, in my opinion group of fighters going.

    Benn, Eubank, Jones, Hopkins, Toney, Watson, McCallum, Jackson, McClenan, Collins, Hill etc....

    So when Calzaghe fought Eubank I didnt really give him a chance.Quite frankly I didnt rate Calzaghe, and thought even a Gunshy and far less aggresive version of Eubank would school this Welsh ***** back to the valleys.

    But I hadnt expected Calzaghe to fight with the class and maturity he did. He showed a hell of a lot of class and bottle. So thus the Calzaghe era started. Not really bothering about him, I slowly noticed his quality yet doubted him. Silly me.

    His carear has been one of quality and distinction. He is a fighter who has acheived a sucession of victories, and shown his definate class and talent.

    Is it his fault that Toney Jones and Hopkins werent in his weight range, what is he supposed to do? If he was injured against Glen Johnson, well he is injured? Calzaghe was avoided by the former 3 fighters mentioned? Because they were terrified? No. Because they couldnt sort the money? No, ask Bernard that. He was avoided because the upside didnt meet the downside. Now that the tables have turned, has anyone noticed that every one and his dog want a piece of Joe now?

    To claim that he lack the desire isnt right, To claim Frank Warren is a toadie who is scarred his fighters may see life beyond him? Very true, ask Hatton what his view is of Frank's fight making talents.

    What many Americans of the uninformed disposition dont understand is that just because he has arrived late to the scene doesnt mean he isnt quality. Just because he isnt Ghetto, doesnt mean he is ****. Just because Max Kellerman doesnt want to cover him in oil and erotically rub his balls, doesnt mean he is ****.

    If a American rugby or soccer player of top quality came onto the scene, Im pretty sure Europeans wouldnt start dissing him saying " Oh, he aint playing in Europe, he must be ****". Its this worrying xenophobia that taints Joe, Not his talents.
     
  5. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    I said this yesterday and i'll say it again today:

    Joe is a great fighter. But he showed a frightening lack of ambition staying at 168, staying in the UK. You have to go to American to build a rep before you get fights like Hopkins/Jones, you don't just walk into them - unless you are willing to take the REALLY shitty end of the deal.

    Now he has to life with his pissy resume. It's ok that he stayed at home for hugely supported banner fights, it really is, but what's not ok is for his fans to now claim that the resume weakness is not his fault because he was "ducked" - it is his fault, harsh but true.

    Look at the Ricky Hatton model - go to the states fight some guys nobody but hardcore fans have heard off and then, after building your rep, get the best fighter in the world p4p. Something like this could have happened for Joe.

    Check it out - he's finally off to the States and he's finally getting the biggest fight of his career. Shame it's six years to late.
     
  6. rusticraver

    rusticraver Well-Known Member Full Member

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    i think calzaghes resume is pretty good tbh.

    Look at some of the mugs Roy Jones fought? like that NYPD cop who didnt throw a punch!
     
  7. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    But Jones also has Hopkins (top 60 all time, p4p) and Toney (top 150 all time p4p) as well as a belt all the way up at heavy - an astounding achievment, and often overlooked.

    Calzaghe's resume pales by comparison, regardless of the fact that Jones (shamelessly) fought tomato cans on occasion.
     
  8. FRKO

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    :lol:

    Oh man.
     
  9. FRKO

    FRKO "A MAN" Full Member

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    Cheers Benji. Joe is personally my P4P #1 also.
     
  10. RealIzm

    RealIzm Boxing Junkie banned

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    Holy **** FRKO...another day of madness at ESB:nut
     
  11. FRKO

    FRKO "A MAN" Full Member

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    Yup. :good

    But who wants to be normal anyway?
     
  12. RealIzm

    RealIzm Boxing Junkie banned

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    Agreed mate:lol: :lol: :lol:
    You know I hate these threads that downplay Joes ability and resume...mainly because I know of the crazy shitstorm that follows:deal
    Joe will beat Slopkins easily...I just wish he could do it by smashing his rocking chair across his face:lol: Joe KO via rocking chair smashing:yep
     
  13. OBCboxer

    OBCboxer Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    People take this too far, what I'm saying is he isn't great in the sense of best Middleweight of all time.
     
  14. FRKO

    FRKO "A MAN" Full Member

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    :lol:
     
  15. LiamE

    LiamE Boxing Addict Full Member

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    When you try to disparage a fighter based on their oponents and then bring up Charles Brewer as someone you've not heard of you have just demonstrated you know dick about boxing.