Joe Calzaghe's defense is not good enough to beat a prime Jones/Hopkins or a Toney

Calzaghe beats Toney and Hopkins.

I give RJJ the edge, but he isn't koing Joe, the mans chin was better than "good", it was great.

 

Well until you provide a legit source that tells me otherwise, I will go with Joe's past statements of how he was not going after Roy, because Roy was a good fighter and he wanted big money, not tough fights.:yep

I also believe he was quoted saying it would take the crown jewels to get him in the ring with Jones, which he was not going to get at the time..

I don't blame Joe, but his name was not quite big enough yet to get the money he wanted for that kind of fight.

 

your the one who said calzaghe wouldn't of kept up with jones...and that was utter rubbish..calzaghe would of more than kept up with jones..trust me.

who was catching jones flush?do you even know who joe calzaghe was?his hands were gone...everybody KNOWS this.

how many of those fights were stopped early...in your opinion?

i would say jones had more power in his punches.

 

i'm sure that information is on the net...if you want it that bad,go look it up.

 

Nah, when someone provides info, it is their job to look it up, not send someone chasing for facts.

I have heard something about that, but I thought it had to do with Joe wanting more money than he was going to get at the time. And would have been too big a risk for Roy, and not enough money against a good fighter that was not a big name or draw.

I don't blame either guy, it just didn't make much business sense at the time.. It is the nature of the business, it is a shame though.

 

your the one who wants the info,go look it up.

i already know the facts..so i'm cool.

 

Why was it Jones didn't take the fight? What kind of split was offered? Where was the fight to take place? I am sure Jones would have laughed if Calzaghe asked him to come to him, as he should have at that time.

Do you know those facts? or just that Calzaghe made an offer?

 

i'm guessing jones didn't want the fight because he knew how good calzaghe was,and used the excuse that no one knew him in the states.

i don't know what money was put up..but warren said it was big.

the fight would of took place in the states...just like the hopkins fight would of.

 

How is that rubbish ? Your statement is more far fetched better yet you said it be the other way around ! Yeah I have seen plenty of both to make my assesment ..I don't know where u get the assumption that Joe out works a young Jones yet my statement s rubbish??

And forget his hands now but how does he stop a young Jones when most of his career Jones fought much bigger men and was only stopped after he dropped down from heavy from much harder punches ..And as far as stoppages I'd have to watch each 1 by 1 to give you a talley ..But it says allot about the man's so called power with so many " Technical " Knockouts ..From a boxing perspective the man was a thinking man's boxer thats what made his great imo ..Not the so called blinding hand speed and his power ..Its what makes Floyd great ,Hopkins great any one who can change their stragedy in mid fight is a beast..

 

calzaghe had a fantastic chin and an even better recovery, his defense was baseed around movement. see calzaghes career is weird because you cant pin down when he was in his prime. the young calzaghe was a strong, hard hitting joe but the late calzaghe was a better boxer.

 

The guessing game is hardly factual evidence.

I would rather go with quotes straight out of Joe's mouth.:yep:good

 

hahaha, i don't know why jones refused to fight calz.

frank warren offered him the fight and he turned it down.there was no exact details of why he did this.

and i wasn't guessing when i said warren had offered the fight a few times to jones..that was fact.

what i was guessing at,was the reason why jones turned him down.

 

you said that you heard warren had made offers to jones.

SO,why do you think he turned calz down?

 

For one, I heard it was supposed to be in Wales, that Jones agreed to.

For two, Warren said the stumbling block with Jones was the money he wanted.

At the time Jones was P4P #1 and a legendary name, Joe was not...

If the P4P best is willing to come to you, while you don't have world recognition.... I suggest to shut up, give him the money he wants, and beat him if you think you can... Joe beating Roy at that time would have given him boxing immortality, **** the money that Roy wanted, more would come to Joe afterwords right?

But Joe was also quoted it would take the crown jewels to fight Jones around that time, he was not gonna get it, especially since Jones was the known as the best in the world, and Calzaghe was relatively unheard of.

Like I said before, I don't blame either fighter, if Joe were to lose against Roy he would be dismissed as another Roy Jones victim.. A win would have given him world wide status, but honestly I don't think he was all that confident in beating Roy at that time, he knew it was a risk, especially making decent money beating fighters no where near Roy.

Roy also, dropping to 168, being P4P #1 going to Wales to fight a very good fighter that did not have world recognition?? Of course he would want huge money... Considering Roy's history overseas, he didn't want to go anyway. Especially when he was fighting safe fights, some of them more known than Joe.... That is the way boxing works, I wish it wasn't like that but it is.

 

frank warren offered roy jones $5 million to get it on with calzaghe,but roy turned it down...that was great money,but roy wanted more and that was just not possible...and,calzaghe was very confident of beating jones..he wouldn't of begged warren for the fight otherwise..frank made a big offer to jones and he turned it down..what more was calzaghe and warren meant to do.