I just watched Setanta Sports, and many of the guests they had seem to think Joe Calzaghe is the greatest British fighter of all time. Just a few of my own opinions here. I don't hate Calzaghe, but just some objective thoughts. - I disagree with Buncey. It made sense for Calzaghe to go to the states when he was in his physical prime, so he could really prove how great he was when he himself was at his peak. - Does Calzaghe have a win on his resume that is better or comparable to say Barrera's best win? Morales 2/3 or Hamed? I say no. - There was no glory in Calzaghe beating that version of Roy Jones Jr, and the showboating only made it more of a farce. Goodluck to Joe, and congratulations to him on a great career.
Far from it, people are blinded by his undefeated record and seemingly amazing ring skills. Ring skills is all relative though to the guy in front of you, Lacy was a punching bag and Kessler although very good, is a bit robotic. Jones was shot to pieces and a still very good 43yr old Bernard squeezed out an SD...Judging by how close the fight was, I think a 40yr old Bhop may have won it. This is coming from a guy who picked Calzaghe over Bhop, predicted joe would take the later round, bet on Joe and wanted Joe to win...I was surprised at how close the fight was although its not as close as some make it. Cazalghes best wins in order: BHop Eubank Kessler Lacy And I agree with you, not a single one of those is better than MAB's best win, or even 2 best wins.
Joes record reads no defeats. Ali lost 5 fights but a common theme emerges. Your legacy will be determined by your career. I am in no way comparing because there is no comparison. My problem is that whatever Calzaghe did he will be criticised although he never lost. Bhop and Jones were to old Lacy was never that good so what can we say. Should we now consign Joe to history as a lucky champion who fought over the hill ATGs. He beat every one put in front of him.
We should not call him a lucky champion, but we should approach his resume and legacy with his caution. Marco Antonio Barrera is in about 80-100 on most peoples ATG list, and I think that is fair, but when you consider that his two best wins are better than Calzaghe's two best wins - what are we to make of Joe Calzaghe. The only way you know truely how great a fighter is by seeing how they did against the great fighters of their era. Calzaghe left it to late to go to the States, and I thoroughly believe that.
if kessler beats the top yanks then calzaghe will get so much more respect, and beating hopkins even now is a great victory - look at pavliks beating
Absolutely. I think had Calzaghe gone to the States and fought the best and possibly moved up way earlier, not as many question marks would be there.
Here's Russ Amber's take on Calzaghe's career: [url]http://www.tsn.ca//blogs/russ_anber/?id=266794[/url] " As for greatness, you are all aware that undefeated Joe Calzaghe announced his retirement this week after a 16 year professional career. Starting out in 1993, Calzaghe won the WBO Super Middleweight title with a unanimous 12 round decision over former champion Chris Eubanks. Little did anyone realize that this would begin one of the longest title reigns in boxing history. With 21 title defences to his credit, Calzaghe is tied for third on the all time list of successful defenses. Arguably among greatest super-middleweights in history, Calzaghe is almost a certainty for the Hall of Fame in his first attempt. Unfortunately, Calzaghe legacy on this side of the pond will be less than stellar. While his accomplishments are truly remarkable, his reluctancy to leave the UK will forever haunt him. His wins over a very faded Roy Jones and a split decision over a 43 year old Bernard Hopkins really did nothing to solidify his North American legacy especially since he was dropped in both those fights. One only needs to look at the 21 title defences made by Calzaghe to realize that his accomplishments in the ring may only be exceeded by the careful management, and selection of his opponents, outside the ring. While there is no denying Calzaghes achievements, greatness is defined by great fights with great wins over great fighters. Unfortunately for Calzaghe, those type of wins are few and far between." You brits have had some fighters that have reached for greatness and got it. Calzaghe may have been a great fighter but he never chased greatness.
While his resume would certainly benefit from a couple more big wins at the top (who's wouldn't?), it's not a terrible one; he beat a dozen top 10 guys in a 46 fight career along with 9 current, former, or future titlists.
Calzaghe needed to go to the states? Calzaghe fought who was in front of him and not the country that fighter was from. People seem to overlook credible opponents that calzaghe has faced and beaten. Calzaghes top 20 fights 20. Mark Delaney - Good young british fighter 19. Peter Manfredo Jr - The contender runner up 18. Mario Veit (twice) - Undefeated at the time 17. Luciano torres - Very good fighter 16. Bronko sobot - also undefeated at the time 15. Tocker pudwill - Rising American star 14. Mger Mkrtchian - Good fighter 13. Kabary Salem - Rough brawler 12. Richie Woodhall - Former WBC super middleweight champ 11. Robin Reid - Former WBC super middleweight champ 10. Evans ashira - Tough fighter 9. Chris Eubank - British Legend 8. Sakio Bika - The contender winner 7. Omar Sheika - Rising Undefeated American Star 6. Charles Brewer - Former IBF supermiddleweight 5. Byron Mitchell - Big American name 4. Jeff Lacy - Unbeaten american and ibf/ibo champ 3. Roy Jones Junior - American Legend 2. Bernard Hopkins - American Legend and ring light heavy champ 1. Mikel Kessler - Unbeaten WBC/WBA champ Im sorry but that is a great record and to go all the way undefeated is admirable and impressive
Ha! Ha! Ha!... A lot of other fighters with lossess have more impressive wins over impressive fighters than that...
Calzaghe arguably fought tougher opposition than Hopkins. Lots of no names on Hopkins resume. Hopkins looked juiced when he fought Pavlik.