Joe Calzaghe's resume

Good post & good argument.

 

I don't understand this part of your post. How does what Barrera or Morales achieved have to do with this. I think I'm picking you up wrong, been up all night. Could you explain please?

 

Truth be told that has always been the biggest knock on Rocky...That will even be a bigger problem for Joe...As weak as many say or felt that Rocky's resume ws Joe's isnt even close to being as good as his...That is a problem that will really Hurt Joe in the furture.

 

Gotcha. Yeah I can see your point. I guess it's purely down to an individuals interpretation. I mean look at Barrera's 6 losses. No-one can have a beef with those guys, all great fighters. But I feel there is some merit to an undefeated record. I'll use my case in point:

Although I think these lists are a crock I'll use them.
ESPN top 50 boxers list 2007 had Marciano at 14!!!!
Ring Magazine's 2002 list of best 80 in 80 years has Marciano at 12!

Marciano. The guy did brilliant with the tools he had, no question, but 12Th and 14th EVER? come on!! How would people feel if he had a 48-1 record? It's my belief that even if the loss was to Walcott, Charles, Louis etc it would have quite an impact on his standing moving him down 10-20 places. I feel Calzaghes career could be viewed the same way, just having that '0' does have an impact. Without it he'd be outside the top 100 but having it moves him inside.

I myself have Joe 80-100. just can't place him but it's closer to 100 I know that. I feel what I've typed is a partial explanation, not whole, just to give you an idea where 'm coming from when I place him.

 

Im not too sure if that list is a joke or not.

Joe has fought some duds, Pudwill albeit a late sub, was a complete dud, Tocker isnt alone in being a dud either.

But every champ fights duds, just because joe fought Pudwill doesnt take away from the fact that he also be Kessler and Hopkins...

 

people like you make me embarrassed to be a calzaghe fan. kindly STFU.

 

Joe Calzaghe is one of the best boxers the world has ever seen. Then again Joe Calzaghe is one of the wost promoters and self publicisers the sport of boxing has ever seen. if Joe Calzaghe had Ali's mouth and HBO behind him he would be everyone's favorite boxer.

 

A zero should not be the be all and end all of a fighters record yet i think it is silly to dismiss all together. Boxing is never like other sports where the best have to face the best because of league structures or tournament requirements (which is perhaps when it has happend it helped fighters like bhop whose profile benifited when they had the unification series at middleweight )Mind you who will forget don kings so called middleweight contender series from the 70s featuring uuuuh . my point is that to get the big fights is not easy or simple money ,politics ,basic ducking ,too many championship claimants , promotional claims what ever . all kinds of factors . Willing it to happen is not enough. Its not ideal its not even good but alas thats how Boxing is and always will be. So condemning Calzaghe for not having fought the big meaningfull fights is a little simplistic though it is a shame I think Calzaghe was the real deal a potential ATG. better opposition may have proven that more clearly although i think he deserves a place in any hall of fame . Moreover it is an even bigger shame that is, is now was

 

**** me, I'm getting bored of these Calzaghe threads. Can't the admin ban them for a week or something?

 

the only fight i really wanted to see when both fighters were in their prime was Calzaghe V Trinidad.

you can say all you like about such and such fighter being good at something or bad at something, but the bottom line is JC was a undefeated a two weight undeisputed champion of the world. if you don't like his style thats fair enough but you can't say he's **** because he's not entertaining.

 

I partially agree here in the sense that Joe should have gone to the states and tried to manouver himself into a position where he couldn't help but fight some of the big names. But it's way deeper than the view you have. Blame for me is about %'s and Joe's probably 70% to blame. RJJ and Hopkins, Warren etc share the rest.

 

I personally think Calzaghe is the best British post war fighter, do I wish he went to America sooner, yes, but he was still the best British fighter.

A lot of people dont know that Calzaghe did the hands low showboating thing often in his career, even in his amatuer days, it was only seen as disrespectful vs Roy because Roy did that in his prime too & + the fact that Roy was over the hill.

Also... Barrera is a legend of boxing (not my favourite legend but a legend nonetheless), I think its safe to say that even if MAB has better wins or is greater than you, you can still be a dam good fighter.

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