Joe Calzaghe's thoughts on Roy Jones throughout the ages

Or maybe Michalczewski?

By 2001, which is when the quote is from, Jones was a different fighter to the one who took on the biggest challenges possible. He, and Hopkins, could have made a rematch but neither wanted it because they both had the same mentality as fighters. Make the most money possible, regardless of the threat. I wouldn't say Calzaghe was ducked by Jones but he obviously didn't want it that badly or it would have happened. Same for Hopkins/Calzaghe, although Hopkins blatantly avoided that fight, like the Jones rematch, by asking for too much money.

 

Did you read my post and interpret as me saying they were exactly at the same stages of their careers? I think you should read it again because I didn't say that. I said that Calzaghe was past his best, which he clearly was.

Calzaghe's absolute peak was the early 2000's, without question. Mainly because of the injuries he had sustained though but that was his peak. You mention a "decline in his punching power" like it's nothing but Calzaghe went from a very heavy handed fighter to a slapper, yet this is to be ignored, is it? I don't think it should be. He changed his style completely by the time he got to the end of his career. Can you give me one other fighter whose punching style and power changed so dramatically? The only negative, is that his best performances were against poor quality fighters but those were his best years, regardless of opposition.

By the time he faced Lacy, he was still a good fighter though. I think he showed signs of serious decline against Kessler though, so he obviously was past his prime by then. Even ignoring his punches, which by then were thrown with no intent, he had lost footspeed, body movement, his timing was well off and he was starting to take punches poorer too. The last great performance by him, was definitely against Lacy and, after that, he suffered a fast decline. By the time he fought Hopkins he was nowhere near his prime years and against Jones, he looked terrible for most of it.

I'm not saying they were at the same stage in their careers. They weren't. However, you can't talk about how badly Jones was shot and then talk about Calzaghe like he was in his ****ing prime. He just wasn't and it's completely ignorant to say he was. By the time he faced Jones, it was two years since his last 'great' performance and five or six years since he was in the best shape of his life.

 

Get over it black people. **** Hopkins and Superglass both got ***** slapped

 

Ruiz was an easier challenge than Hopkins or Calzaghe. Ruiz didn't win a round against Jones and landed, what, less than 10 clean shots? Both Hopkins and Calzaghe would have won rounds against Jones and both would have landed more punches, without question. Even though the jump to heavyweight was significant, there were far tougher challenges at the same. Calzaghe, Hopkins, Toney, Jirov, Michaelczewski and more, were tougher challenges.

 

When Calzaghe fought Eubank for his first world title, he was 22-0 with 21 knockouts. He legitimately knocked down the granite chinned Eubank in that bout. If you don't think Calzaghe, at one point, was very heavy handed, you don't know a ****ing thing about his career.

 

no...... go on from there


i want you to explain the following results from prime toney in full


D - sanderline williams (11 defeats to his name)
L - thadzi (8 defeats)
L - griffin (twice)
SD - sosa
SD - tiberi
SD - johnson



and when you've done that i want you to explain about toney twice being found guilty of taking anabolic steroids :deal

and then i want you to tell why a boxer would be looking to take anabolic steroids :deal


















tiberi, sanderline williams, thadzi, sosa, reggie johnson, griffin :rofl

 

Calzaghe was called a 'slapper' before he fought Eubank, the Eubank KD he caught Eubank square on and was being pushed back at the time but yes he was a better stronger puncher then, still not a puncher as such

 

if we are talking about dumb, lets check out fragile popkins most recent p4p list, look who this ring comic puppet was ranking at number 3 in his rankings :rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl

also check out that he had andre ward as number 6 :rofl

enjoy




My Pound-For-Pound Top Ten (1st August 2010)
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He is the man in possession, the king on the throne. As the second-placed fighter is in the same division as the kingpin, the only way he can take this crown is in the ring, and to do that Floyd will have to actually man up, so Pac is safe at number 1 for the foreseeable future. Manny has barely lost a round over the last two years, and is now dominating and decimating men far naturally larger than himself - the definition of a pound-for-pound legend.


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The only choice for number 2, Floyd joins Pacquiao in a league of two far above the best of the rest. Mayweather beat the far smaller Marquez with ease in a routine (and some would argue pointless and unfair) tune-up, but in his next fight he produced the goods big-time vs Mosley. Shook to his boots twice early on, Floyd showed his pound-for-pound star quality by winning every round thereafter. The pressure is now on for him to step up and try to reclaim his former position as number 1. The world continues to wait.

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I realize this may be an unexpected and unpopular choice, but I think Dawson's accomplishments are underrated on the whole. To have beaten Tomasz Adamek as well as Glen Johnson twice, whilst establishing himself as the clear number 1 in the light-heavyweight division, is no mean feat for a young fighter - and anyone doubting the value of the Johnson wins need only see how Johnson turned away top 10 ranked Yusaf Mack in his most recent fight. Dawson has been at the top of his division for a few years now, has beaten the best of the generation before him, and is now taking on the toughest opponent available in Jean Pascal.

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As many on ESB know, I am no fan of Wladimir, not by a long shot. However, even though I find him the most boring boxer of all-time, this does not blind me to his merits. I find it very strange that The Ring continues to ignore someone as dominant as he is. Wladimir is on a long unbeaten streak of dominant victories, and although the standard of opposition has not been great, it is not possible to fight consistently strong comp in a division as weak as heavyweight (especially when a good fighter like Povetkin inexplicably and in my opinion unforgivably shirks out of mandatory challenger status). I do not like Wlad as a boxer, and I do not like the heavyweight division, but a champion this dominant cannot be overlooked when it comes to pound-for-pound standings.

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Martinez is a strange one in terms of pound-for-pound recognition. It wasn't long ago that he was fighting dire competition in small hall fights, and was a million miles away from mixing in this sort of company, but (depending on your personal perspective on the outcomes of some of his recent fights) his last three performances were pretty special. For me he clearly deserved a win vs Cintron, and I scored the Martinez-Williams fight to Maravila. A win over Williams is significant, as the Punisher is himself a legitimate pound-for-pound contender. The major scalp on his record is Kelly Pavlik though, what a win. Martinez, a natural lightmiddle weighing 167lbs on the night, vs Pavlik, middleweight KO specialist who was 178 in the ring, and Martinez turned in a supreme display to thoroughly deserve the verdict - and in my opinion to thoroughly deserve the #5 spot.

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This is another choice which I'm sure many people will disagree with, but pound-for-pound talents are extremely rare in this era, there really aren't many strong candidates, and I think the Super Six leader and favourite deserves some recognition at this point. Although I personally prefer Andre Dirrell as a fighter, Ward is the one who is looking more complete and confident at this stage. To win every minute of every round in a high stakes fight vs Green was superb, and Ward almost shut out Edison Miranda as well. Of course, his greatest win was Kessler, making a mockery of his own inexperience to completely dominate a proven world-class supermiddleweight who went on to take Froch's zero in his next fight. Right now, Ward is looking every bit the next Bernard Hopkins, a long-standing star in the making and a fighter of extreme quality.

7.

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The Mayweather fight did not affect JMM's pound-for-pound standing one iota in my eyes. Marquez was only up at that weight for the payday, and the size differences rendered it a mismatch. However, I think both Diaz fights have shown that Marquez is patently not the fighter he once was. In 2008, JMM showed in the Pacquiao rematch that he was one of the top two active fighters in the world, but since moving above 130lbs I don't think he looks the same. Marquez's frame and body type clearly don't allow him to carry additional weight well - as proven by his bloated, overweight appearance in the Mayweather clash. In the first Diaz fight, Marquez really struggled with the Baby Bull's pace, aggression and strength early on before his own power, skill and accuracy won out. In the rematch, Marquez was again the better man, but it wasn't a dominant or spectacular or even particularly impressive performance - and a pound-for-pound top 3 or 4 guy would annihilate a Juan Diaz-calibre fighter IMO.

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Many people will feel Williams should be above Ward, as Williams has been around longer and has a higher number of good wins on his ledger, but for me Williams has slid a little in the pound-for-pound stakes because of the nature of his recent fights. The Cintron fight had no resolution so no credit can be given to either man for the outcome, and I felt Martinez beat Williams. Winky Wright is well past his best and was coming off a very long lay-off, and Verno Phillips is even older than Winky! I do rate the win over Phillips, but if you are looking for the last time Williams was a convincing winner over a prime top 10 ranked opponent you'd have to go back to the Quintana rematch in '08. I think Williams has the potential to climb back up the rankings, but in all fairness he is in dire need of a big win, and soon.

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I think Donaire is a great fighter, but I do think The Ring have given him an unjustifiably high placing in their top 10. Yes, he pulled off a sensational knockout of Vic Darchinyan... but that was three years ago now. Since then he has beaten a sequence of good, solid comp, but there's no real solid gold wins there. Donaire will occupy a higher placing in these rankings - but he should do so after he has unified titles or beaten another top name, not in anticipation of this.

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I'm not a great believer in Calderon, but the dearth of valid contenders for the pound-for-pound top 10 sees him make the cut on the basis of his unbeaten record and longevity. I haven't been all that impressed with his last few performances on the whole, I think he is on the decline, and I don't think his resume is great, irrespective of the quality of the divisions he has fought in. However, in this era you can't knock a guy who has remained unbeaten as long as he has, he has shown himself to be a skilled boxer over the years.


















































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