Joe Calzaghe's Undefeated Record

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Funny you mentioned that, because some of the Brits on this very site got sucked into the HBO hype of Jeff Lacy and view Joe's win over him as some shining accomplishment. How did Lacy turn out as a pro? Not very good. Jeff Lacy was Amir Khan, before Amir Khan turned pro. The difference is Lacy didn't get KTFO like Khan does. Being on an Olympic team and having a 21-0 record, looking like a bodybuilder, but having ZERO noteable wins and a meaningless title belt where there are 8 belts in each division, doesn't make you a world beater. The fact that Lacy was favored over Joe goes to showw you how little people thought of him. If Jeff Lacy is favored to beat you, then something is obviously wrong!!!!

 

How it is Calzaghes fault that hopkins pulled out of their fight in 2002 by demanding double, hopkins was the one that cheapened there. Look at Manfredo Calzaghe did`nt want nothing to do with him but fought him cos one of the American TV channels put the incentive that the winner would fight Taylor, but Taylor backed off, not Joes fault.

So say Calzaghe had fought Hopkins and taylor and beaten both? how would people critics view him??? Would the typical excuses come flying out??

Reid was world champ Calzaghe wanted to fight him Reid didnt want to no until he lost his title.

Same for Brewer and Mitchell who got cheated by Ottke as i said earlier, they would have done better by fighting Calzaghe not Ottke

Can you see how easily a fighter is degraded when critics view their career in such a black and white fashion???

 

Ward would probably beat everyone on his resume...but I still have Joe UD'ing ward...

 

You keep saying Joe wanted to fight all of these guys. I don' see RJJ on this list or Mike Nunn, Toney. None of those guys. Besides where was Joe prior to 2002? Secondly, just because Hopkins outbid himself, you mean to tell me Joe wouldn't opt for a fight with Jones?

 

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if calzaghe had fought hopkins when it mattered (even if he lost) then he wouldnt be polarising people like he always will now

if you want the man you go get the man - you dont sit in wales, call fighters out who are sitting on a bigger stage, and then throw your arms up in protest when those big fights dont happen

what did ricky hatton do when he left frank ******?

he went to the states, had 3 fights, his stock and profile went up, and he got fights with floyd and pac.

that didnt happen for joe when it mattered because he let ****** lead him down easy street and onlytook on jones and hopkins when they hit their 40's, had lost their titles, and then he tried to legitimize it

why do you think nobody makes threads about ricky hatton the same way they do about joe?

because he ****ed off ****** and decided to see how good he was - and he isnt even as good as joe....

 

lol you think im butt hurt? believe that if it makes you feel better or makes you feel like your in control. Joes distinction? oh 2 weight world Champ undefeated but thats not what i see as being his defining distinction it was his skills that stand out.

As for your point on Dawson , Was joe not allowed to go out on a high and get the best financially for his children?? And your point on Calzaghe fighting Hopkins and Jones can be thrown straight back at you , why didnt they fight Calzaghe back then?, why fight Calzaghe so late on, could be cos they had not much to lose and alot to gain whereas back then it was the opposite.

Well all those fighters i mentioned , if they werent scared why didnt they fight Calzaghe when they were world champs or undefeated?, human interpretation can view that as fear.

 

dude i have no argument with the way fish eyes dealt with calzaghes career. As for fighting Jones and Hopkins being in america the so called big stage thats a 50/50 matter they were all champs, Hopkins pulled out FACT. As for Jones maybe there were issues with TV contracts that stopped it happening

 

it was hopkins' fight to pull out of - but i guarantee you that if joe had smacked his way to number one contender at MW or LHW (and that wouldnt have been hard), then he could have EASILY made a fight with jones or hopkins when it mattered.

as long as joe stayed in wales he was always - always - high risk, low reward

...because nobody over here knew who he was, and that isnt how you sell PPV fights or court TV networks

 

This is the internet dude, I don't need or want to be in control. One thing I won't knock ANY fighter for is getting his money. I have no beef whatsoever with Joe cashing out and riding off into the sunset. Here is my issue though. If Joe's objective was to do just that, cash out against two American fighters with name recognition, then he should just say that was his intention. That's for Joe and his fans. Don't try to act like Joe fought both of these guys (Jones, Hopkins) for the competition. If competition was the factor, Dawson would have made more sense. There is no way a 40 something Hopkins or a worse for wear 39 year old Jones were the best competitive fights for Joe. They were the top money making fights and that's it!!! I'm not going to sit here and say Joe was scared of Chad, because IDK that to be true. What I do know is that Dawson was very interested in a fight with Calzaghe and Joe retired. IMO, Joe wanted two things. To retire unbeaten, and to make as much money each with fight as possible, while taking on as little risk to his unblemished record as possible. Fighting the very best comp doesn't seem to have been on his agenda, or to me he would have been across the pond prior to 2008.

As far as distinctions, like I said Otkke was unbeaten so was Lopez and Marciano too. So what? If Joe's skills are his distinction, then please, please , please tell me why when discussions of the top ATG fighters take place, Joe's name doesn't come up. Nobody mentions SRR and Joe in the same breath, or Hagler or Hearns or Leonard and Joe. Joe had good skills, nothing eye popping. He had excellent stamina, a high work rate and an awkward southpaw style. His handspeed was better than average but not spectacular and his chin was pretty good. His 46-0 and beating Hopkins and Jones are his legacy. I guess in about 10 years or so, we will see how Joe is viewed, but it won't be very highly....

 

Sorry dude but i cant go along with the World Revolves around America stuff and tv stuff.

So your saying it was ok for Hopkins and Jones to stay at home with a quote of low risk high reward but not for Calzaghe too to stay in Britain sorry thats double standards man.

Yes it was hopkins fight to pull out of and HE did so, doesnt excuse him seeing as it was in America that the fight was meant to take place as he had what he wanted. I vaguely recall an interview with Hopkins trainer where he stated that Hopkins had never seen anything like Calzaghe skill wise.........

 

America, like it or not is where the vast majority of the biggest money fights can be made. Look at Hatton for example. He could have made some nice paydays fighting in the Uk. However Hatton wanted a shot at the Crown Jewels and wanted Floyd. Nobody expected Floyd to go across the pond chasing Hatton and it wouldn't make sense for him to do so. Boxing is also a business. Floyd was the draw, so if Hatton wanted him he'd have to get his silly ass on a plane and come get him. This same situation applies to Joe BEFORE 2008. Imagine Hatton still active and winning, then FINALLY coming over to take on a declining or shot Floyd and winning. What would that victory be worth? Again, it's the same for Joe. That's why in my book Hatton gets way more respect than Joe, because Ricky TRIED!!! He went after the whole ball of wax, TWICE and came up short, but I've got nothing but respect for that man for at least trying and not hiding out in England his whole career.

 

Casual fans wont see Calzaghe in high regard thats all about fashion, but those that know boxing know that Calzaghe would have done well and held his own Against the likes of SRL, Hagler and Hearns as Hagler and SRL have said.

High work rate combined with excellent stamina as you said, is a beautiful combo to have, plus a tricky style, above average handspeed and in his prime above average power too, a granite chin, brilliant recovery rate. And brilliant Ring IQ..... erm nothing eye popping?????? you combine all these skills then you get eye popping.

Also all the greats did not have a perfect 10 in all the skill sets mentioned

 

Gotta go watch some olympics now the cycling is on, ty for the sparring, Bailey told me all about you, bbl