Joe Calzaghe's Victory over Hopkins is an ATG win

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  1. ashishwarrior

    ashishwarrior I'm vital ! Full Member

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    maybe what about taylor:think
     
  2. Undisputed520

    Undisputed520 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    One thing that is truly clear to me is that people who say Calzaghe is just a slapper have never boxed before. His form was often not great, however his shots were clearly painful. You have never heard a Calzaghe opponent say he has no power before, so who the hell are you to judge.
     
  3. Scar

    Scar VIP Member Full Member

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    If he's not in his prime then he's past it, simple as. Those that believe that version of Hopkins was prime time need to head over to youtube and watch some of Hopkins in his younger years. In his prime, Hopkins never picked shots carefully and took minutes off to save stamina, if he had someone hurt he would be all over him. If at 44 he had Calzaghe down in the first round and gave him hell throughout the entire fight then imagine what he would have done if he was 10 years younger.
     
  4. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    :patsch Calzaghe beat Hopkins sandwiched between Hopkins best wins of Tarver, Wright and Pavlik. Calzaghe beat the same version of Hopkins that beat Pavlik, just Calzaghe was leaps above Pavlik in being able to handle Hopkins.
    The reason Hopkins wasnt favoured in the fight with Pavlik even though Pavlik was 2 whole divisions lower is because if how bad Calzaghe made Hopkins look. People were calling for Hopkins to retire after Calzaghe made him look so poor
     
  5. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    Changed your post.

    When Hopkins lost to Taylor, Hopkins was drained and struggling with the weight. At LHW he was rehydrated and back in business. Even with Hopkins weakened at MW he finished the stronger against Taylor. But Calzaghe beat Hopkins sandwiched between Hopkins best wins.
     
  6. house1234

    house1234 New Member Full Member

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    The Bernard Hopkins that faced tito trinidad is the best version of bernard hopkins.
     
  7. turbotime

    turbotime Hall Of Famer Full Member

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    I picked Joe and had him winning pretty clearly. **** fight though. and No I wont watch it again
     
  8. don owens

    don owens Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Calzaghe W/ Hopkins L:lol::lol::lol:
     
  9. house1234

    house1234 New Member Full Member

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    Bernard hopkins beating hall of famer Tito trinidad is a better win than non-hall of famer and bums Eubank and Kessler.
     
  10. ATCer777

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  11. doylexxx

    doylexxx Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    The fans are split on who won that fight

    the professional boxing judges were split also

    It was nto a clear win for Joe thats for sure

    Dawsons win was a clear win- but his fans dont need to piggyback because Chad will fight threats


    But none of that matters, you guys need to stop trying to increase Joes shabby record in this foolish way.

    Joe can become as great as Bhop

    He just needs to get back to fighting again
     
  12. DOM5153

    DOM5153 They Cannot Run Forever Full Member

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    Calzaghe was given hell because Hopkins was so negative, If a 37yr old Calzaghe could give Hopkins hell imagine what a 30yr old Calzaghe could do, two sides to every coin. Prime for prime its a good close matchup.
     
  13. MVC

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    Seriously deal with it. Hopkins LOST that fight. He was out landed and outboxed easily in the middle to later rounds. Hopkins was so tired he faked an injury to get 5 mins of rest ROFL.
     
  14. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    Calzaghe beat Hopkins in his FIRST fight at the new weight, his FIRST fight over in the America, and with a blatantly CORRUPT referee working against him. The only reason the fight was even close was because Cortez let Hopkins hold on like a limpet every time Calzaghe got anywhere near him, which is something Jim Lampey pointed out Hopkins was doing as early as the second round. Cortez allowed Hopkins do that throughout the fight and butt with impunity too. And you're a complete ****ing idiot if you don't he knew what Hopkins was doing in there too. Every serious boxing fan on the planet knows Hopkins is one, if not the, dirtiest fighter in the game but a former fighter who's had over 35 years of refereeing experience under his belt would've been oblivious to all of his dirty tactics, right? Get real. lol. I made a point of watching Cortez's face as some of those butts landed and he definitely saw them. The amount of holding, leading with his head, butting and feigning injury he let Hopkins get away with in that fight was ****ing disgraceful and anyone who tries to play it down it or pretend that it wasn't hugely advantageous for Hopkins and hugely disadvantageous for Calzaghe cannot and should not be taken seriously.

    A lot of people don't realize that Calzaghe was actually a pretty shy and introverted character and fighting over in the US on such a huge world wide stage for the first time would've been a very high pressure and nerve racking experience for him. Most people also don't realize how much added pressure there was on Joe to win on top of that too. Ricky Hatton had got stopped by Mayweather (with no little help from that **** Cortez) over in Vegas five months earlier and the week before Joe fought Hopkins Clinton Woods had just been taken to school over in Florida by likely juiced Tarver too, and to make matters even worse both of Joe's stablemates Enzo Maccarinelli and Gavin Rees had lost their world titles a month prior to that too, getting stopped by Haye and Kotelnik respectively, which meant Joe was the only champion left in their gym. Calzaghe had watched Hatton lose over in the US a few months earlier in the last super fight between America and the UK's best. He knew that Woods had just been whooped out of sight over there the week before he was due to climb into the ring against Hopkins, and he'd watch both of his close friends and stablemates lose their world titles the previous month before that too. Unimaginable pressure.

    I actually remember feeling a bad omen at the time, thinking that the gods were conspiring against Joe and that it might be too much pressure for him to deal with, or anyone for that matter. And obviously that pressure would've shot through the rafters after Hopkins dropped him in the FIRST round. Picking yourself of the canvas and going onto win is hard enough as it is, but doing it in the first round, in your first fight in the US, on a stage of that magnitude, and one where many of our cousins across the pond were just itching for him to slip up so they could write him off as a Euro hype job, takes incredible mental strength and fortitude. That's why it took Joe a few rounds before he started to relax, once he did it was a different story, although he clearly wasn't performing anywhere near his best. The guy had ****ing balls of steel to pull that off under that amount of pressure.

    Another thing a lot of people don't realize is, the fight never would've happened had Calzaghe not conceded to all of Hopkins' stipulations. Hopkins got to choose what country they fought in - he'd flat out refused to fight Joe anywhere outside the US (he'd said that was ''impossible''), knowing full well that he'd be guaranteed a home country referee to turn a blind eye to all his filthy cheating tactics. He also got to choose the weight they fought at too. He flat out refused to fight Joe at a catch weight but strangely enough he didn't have a problem fighting Winky and Pavlik at one either side of facing Joe. Gee I wonder why he refused to step on the scales for HBO's fight night weigh in? lol.

    Hopkins also got to choose the venue and the date too - apparently the air is thinner in Vegas, which is yet another obstacle Joe would've had to adjust and acclimatize to, whereas Hopkins had plenty of experience of dealing with that as he'd fought there 8 or 9 times before. Calzaghe did actually mention it affected him during his preparation.

    Calzaghe and his team had no experience of setting up a training camp in a foreign country either.

    Joe's hands were in an awful state by that stage of his career too. He was barely able to throw more than a handful (no pun intended) of hardish punches by then. He'd broke his left hand and wrist once a piece during his previous five fights before facing Hopkins and suffered injuries to them during training or in all of his other ones too (with the possible exception of the Kessler fight), something that both Hopkins and Roach were keenly aware of, which is why Roach said this: "Joe doesn't use his power shot any more, and I know he has bad hands, and we're going take advantage of that too.''

    Fact is Hopkins had almost everything in his favour sans youth, which he obviously knew he would need to in order for him to even stand a chance of winning, hence why he wouldn't dare sign the contract unless he got it all his own way. Remember that all those big name fighters Hopkins beat up at light heavy - Tarver, Wright, Pavlik, Jones, Pascal, and Cloud were all fighting in their own countries too, whereas Joe was the only one fighting on away soil. Only a complete moron or a bigot would try to deny all of those adverse factors would've combined to make Calzaghe's task a much, much more difficult one and yet still he managed to pull it off. Like I said, the guy had balls of ****ing steel and it's a shame that there are so many butt-hurt little haters, bigots and racists ***gots out there who are utterly loathed to give him the credit he deserved.
     
  15. MAJR

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    Only a moron would call Eubank and Kessler "bums". You can argue that they were not elite level fighters but there is no denying that at the very least they were world level Super Middleweights, and Eubank was a world level Middleweight as well.