Joe Calzaghe's world famous WBO ducktionary - a career of ducking examined

I'm not sure, but then Carl doesn't average 100 punches a round

He must have come close to that figure against Lacy, a world champ

Completely different kind of fights, Calzaghe - Kessler was a boxing match, Froch-Kessler began with boxing then became a slug fest, where of course more punches will be thrown than usual. Let's take Froch's fights against Arthur Abraham and Glen Johnson

Against Abraham he averaged 55 punches a round

Against Johnson he averaged 56

I won't use the stats from the Ward fight because Ward is very negative and negates any fighters work rate.

Going off boxrec - [url]http://boxrec.com/media/index.php?title=Fight:1476192[/url]

Froch threw 546 punches against Kessler - which is 45.5 punch per round average, I'm not sure where you got 80 a round average from? :huh

Calzaghe threw 1010 punches against Kessler, and 985 against Roy Jones, which is 84 per round and 82 per round respectively - the work rate advantage is clearly to Calzaghe

Yep Calzaghe certainly isn't stopping Froch, but he will outbox him and outwork him, survive a few scary moments and ultimately take the decision, you agree or disagree?

Joe has every conceivable advantage in this fight, except power. Even then, Carl is a good puncher, but he's hardly a 168 pound Tommy Hearns, Joe took the best punches off big hitters in Kessler and Eubank, Carl won't be able to stop Joe, he won't be able to win a decision, he won't win basically. Near enough anyone who watches boxing would agree

Ward fanboy feels threatened by Groves :deal

Sorry mate, I live in England and can tell you for a fact that Carl wasn't a well known and established world class fighter between 2004 up to when Joe fought his last fight at SMW against Kessler in December 2007. To say Joe ducked Carl is revisionism

 

Froch was 4-0 back in 2002, in this thread I have not talked about Froch in 2002, but I have mentioned him in 2003/2004. Here is a little flashback from the thread, please stick on the topic:-

[url]http://www.boxingforum24.com/showpost.php?p=14655011&postcount=94[/url]

Froch at 13-0 said this:-

[url]http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/boxing/3673602.stm[/url]

Froch was getting ready for a showdown with Calzaghe, but Calzaghe didn't want in in 2004 nor the following year where he fought the likes of Pudwill and Salem.

Still Froch at 13-0 did more than Branko Sobot had done at 14-1.

Calzaghe fought Manfredo when he was 26-3, got beat by a Welterweight Gomez, got beat by a LMW Mora twice, and had won no title at SMW. While Carl Froch was 21-0 and the Commonwealth and British champion.

Froch deserved a shot at Calzaghe more than Manfredo.

Sheika didn't have to fight Johnson for a shot at Calzaghe, Froch fought a semi final, and once you win the semi final, you reach the final and face the winner of the other semi final. It was a boxing tournament.

Calzaghe had many choices and only chose the ones that were easy.

Then why was Froch ranked higher than Bika?

Eastman did more in boxing than Branko Sobot had done. And 70% of Calzaghe's opposition.

Commonwealth title > Contender runner up

According to Fat Mick Calzaghe turned down 5 million, Froch also said Calzaghe turned down big money to fight him. Froch was on television for a while, he fought on ITV and BBC early on in his career.

From 2004 onwards Froch was more known than most of them. FACT

Froch wanted it, Calzaghe didn't. FACT.

Calzaghe himself says Froch wanted a fight but he didn't want to give him one.

[url]http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/boxing/7779542.stm[/url]

Calzaghe wanted no part of Froch.

The S6, a tournament put together so the SMW's dont take 9 years to unify the titles as Calzaghe did. These S6 fighters proved they are true warriors.

Eastman was offered £100 000 for a world title shot, which is a disgraceful offer. Eastman made $800 000 against Hopkins.

 

Just curious bailey, do you have Calzaghe as the G.O.A.T? I am not sure I have seen you point out one weakness, or disagree with any of his career choices.

 

Froch didn't struggle to get on tv. He fought on setanta. A major sports network at the time. Bailey will repeatedly lie and attempt to twist facts when hes outworked.

 

Against Lacy he averaged 79 punches per round (I thought it be higher myself)

Froch vs Abraham/Johnson was a boxing match too. Regardless, the point here is Froch has proven at elite level that he can have a high workrate. The average punches thrown in a SMW world title fight is 55.

[url]http://compuboxonline.com/news.php?news=CompuBox-Analysis%3A-Ward-vs.-Froch&news_id=183[/url]

I read it there

You can also check this out, do some Math, and get a similar answer:-

[url]http://compuboxonline.com/packages/ward-froch/Froch4Super6fights.pdf[/url]

I think I will just rewatch the fight TBH, it was a great fight regardless.

No one will deny Calzaghe has the workrate advantage here, what I am saying is Froch has a decent engine himself.

I personally think Froch would hurt Calzaghe more often than Calzaghe would hurt Froch, but the thing is when Froch hurts his opponents he usually finishes them off shortly after.
If I was at gunpoint I would say Calzaghe wins a close decision, but I can see Froch knocking Calzaghe out late because Froch really would have been up for a war with Calzaghe. Froch hits harder than Salem, Hopkins, Shot RJJ, and Mitchell who all floored Calzaghe. Froch has also shown he fights very well against southpaws when he fought Dirrell, Bute, and Magee, TBH gun put on my head I may even say Froch by KO.

Power, Chin, reach, height, durability, toughness, and maybe a few more I give Froch the clear advantage in.

 

it was his jamaican accent

and the fact he listened to bob marley.

gave Joe nightmares for months

 

I dont think he was on setanta, but think he was on the little known primetime channel, which was a pay only channel, due to not getting on a main channel. Could be wrong, but think that is correct.
A note
His fight with J Taylor wasnt even played live in the UK

 

Adamu.
froch got the decision, but it looked fortunate to some

 

When did he become a well known world class fighter?

 

If dinovelvet actually followed boxing in this country, and followed Carl's career, he would know that when Carl parted with Hennessey, a lot of the issue was down to Carl not getting sufficient exposure. Froch started to get more coverage with his big Super 6 fights, but he didn't become 'well known' until his win against Bute in May 2012

 

atsch, lay off the boxrec man, watch the fight:-

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Froch came on top on pretty much every exchange.

 

Froch mentioned Calzaghe's name because he wanted to fight him. Knowing Calzaghe would be a shitting it, he gave Calzaghe a 1 year deadline so calzaghe can prepare and make money within that year because Froch knew he was gonna bust Calzaghe up when he gets his hands on him, and Calzaghe also knew that is why he went no where near Froch until after he retired.

Sobot at 14-1 had beaten no undefeated fighters and lost to the only game opponent he faced, while Froch at 13-0 knocked out an undfefeated fighter, and was undefeated himself. The only reason you think Sobot at 14-1 was better than Froch at 13-0 is because you are holding Calzaghe's toilet roll.

Froch was ranked higher than Manfredo by the WBO, WBA, IBF.

WBO Rankings for March 2007:
CHAMPION JOE CALZAGHE (Sup Champ)
1. Denis Inkin
2. Lucian Bute

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4. Jeff Lacy

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6. Cristian Sanavia
7. Juergen Braehmer
8. Jean Pascal (NABO)
9. Victor Oganov
10. Robert Stieglitz

WBA rankings for March 2007
1. NOT RATED
2. JEFF LACY USA
3. LUCIEN BUTE ROM
4. DENNIS INKIN RUS
5. DANILO HAUSSLER GER
6. JURGEN BRAHMER GER
7. DAVID GOGIYA (EBU) GEO
8. GUSMYL PERDOMO (LAC) VEN
9. JEAN PAUL MENDY FRA
10. VITALY TSYPKO UKR
11. SAM SOLIMAN AUS
12. LIBRADO ANDRADE MEX

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14. DIMITRI SARTISON GER
15. EPIFANIO MENDOZA COL

IBF Rankings for March 2007
1. NOT RATED
2. NOT RATED
3. Lucian Bute
4. Jeff Lacy
5. Dennis Inkin
6.

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7. Robert Stieglitz
8. Jurgen Brahmer
9. David Gogiya
10. NOT RATED

Johnson was coming of 3 losses and got a title eliminator? Sheika beat Johnson when he was in the worst form of his career, Froch beat a more accomplished Johnson.

Kessler was not easy, but Pudwill, Manfredo......Sobot, Thornberry were. And Salem.

WBA, WBO and IBF ranked Froch higher than Bika, it is clear Froch was the better fighter then and the better fighter now.

Eastman got lowballed.

Then why was Froch ranked higher than Manfredo by most reasonable fans and governing bodies?

Froch was more known than Bika and Ashira.

I don't trust everything a promoter says, but according to Froch and Mick it was a hefty sum, I don't think it was 5 Million, but I do believe it was a big sum.

Calzaghe's highest earning was against RJJ, against Hopkins he supposedly made $3.5 Mil, so in pound sterlings that is way less than 5 million which Mick supposedly offered.

I didn't say he was more known than Mafredo, but he was more known than most of Calzaghe's opposition.

I said before I don't trust promoters, Frank, Mick, Arum, King, Hoya.....Sauderland all them supposed to chat ****. But this is from Calzaghe's mouth:-
"He wants a pay day and

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as I don't like the guy."

Calzaghe did not want it:deal
Eastman refused that **** offer from Calzaghe's camp remained patient and made 8 times more against Hopkins.

 

**** artist clueless once again. Do you realise how dumb you sound when you say Froch wasn't well known till he fought Bute?

Froch was on Setanta as far back as 2004 when he became British champ. How do i know? Because i watched it.

Everybody left Hennessey back around 2008 because he was failing to deliver, it had nothing do do with Froch not getting expousure as he signed straight with Hearn.