Joe Calzaghe's world famous WBO ducktionary - a career of ducking examined

Upset for running you off your thread ? No not at all. You made a thread and then couldnt answer any counters.
No I dont duck, I believe it was you who was ducking and not replying to posts earlier in this thread. I dont do that.
Still I dont mind if you want to mother another poster, due to feeling run off your own thread by me

 

Froch had more to offer than Ashira, Bika and Manfredo.
Not to forget, Gimenez and Jimenez, Pudwill, Sobot, Mkrtchyan, Salem, McIntyre...... and Thornberry.

But Calzaghe was showing no interest in fighting Froch because he didn't want any tough fights, you know Calzaghe did not want any tough fights, here is Calzaghe saying he did not want any tough fights:-

"I don't want tough fights"

http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Boxing:+I'm+lord+of+the+Welsh+rings+says+Calzaghe.-a060444934

Froch was a tough fight, Glen Johnson was a tough fight, Howard Eastman was a tough fight......

I think you haven't followed the Froch-Calzaghe saga properly even though I schooled you in its history earlier. Froch

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Calzaghe wouldnt fight him unless he had a title, read the quote properly.

"I don't

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Calzaghe will fight me unless I put a meaningful title on the line but if I get one of the major belts he could not swerve me. - Carl Froch

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/boxing/5023478.stm

And from the same article this is what Froch said:-
"I know what to do to beat Calzaghe,"

Here you have Froch talking about a Calzaghe fight without mentioning any world titles:-

"I'd like to fight Calzaghe, probably next year after a couple of fights for the British title,"

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/boxing/3673602.stm

And here you see Froch talking about a Calzaghe fight (post Lacy) without mentioning any world titles:-

"Joe says he's looking to make the most money possible from his next fight,........ Given the options open to him, that must mean fighting me. It certainly wouldn't mean someone like Inkin. - Carl Froch.

"I am a proper challenger. I am the best in the division and politics shouldn't stop us meeting. It would be an exciting battle before I

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." - Froch

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/boxing/6545105.stm

So your claim that Froch said he wants a title before a Calzaghe fight has been debunked. Froch wanted a Calzaghe fight, but thought he would need to put a meaningful title on the line, even though Ashira, Bika, Manfredo, Pudwill, Sobot, Mkrtchyan, Thornberry, Starrie, McIntyre, Salem, Gimenez and Jimenez, and maybe a few more never put down any meaningful titles, but still Calzaghe fought them and wanted no part of Carl Froch.

Yea we have already been through the Calzaghe SMW WBO reign of terror filled with subs, gimmes, bums and fights to boost sales in America.

 

He said that in 1999. It wasn't true of him from 2006 to his retirement in early 2009. In the period between 2006 and 2009 Calzaghe:

1 - took on the highly touted IBF Champion Jeff Lacy while he, Calzaghe, was considered the underdog

2 - fought Bika who was fresh off a draw with WBC Super Middleweight Champion Beyer and would go on to give current Super Middleweight King Ward one of his toughest ever fight

3 - fought WBA and WBC Super Middleweight Champion Kessler in a unification bout when Kessler was considered his rival for the title of Super Middleweight King

4 - moved up a division to go to America and fight the man considered the best Light Heavyweight in the world at the time and who would go on to be considered one of the all time great Light Heavyweights in the The Ring Light Heavyweight Champion Hopkins.

Manfredo, as has been explained to you before, was a fight on HBO for more money than Calzaghe could have gotten against Froch and gave him a wider level of exposure in the States intended to set up a fight with Taylor or Hopkins.

Jones was last big payday before Calzaghe's imminent retiremet.

As I said before, you cannot take a quote from an earlier period of a fighters career and act as if it applies to the later stage of that man's career if all evidence points to the fact that he was fighting some of the best available opposition to him at that time.

Oh, and two more things:

1 - as to Froch having more to offer than Bika in 2006, Bika had at least fought for a World Title, Bika had fought a World Titlist on even footing before the fight was stopped because of a cut and declared a draw. What had Froch done by May 2006 that equalled that? The answers nothing. Bika was move proven on the interational stage at that time than Froch was.

2 - Eastman turned down the offer to fight Calzaghe. His promoter justified it by saying the money offered wasn't significant enough for the fight which - he believed - would have been the biggest domestic battle since Eubank/Benn in 1990, but the fact remains that Eastman recieved an offer from Calzaghe and chose not to take it.

 

Further Pwnage - Part 1

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http://www.boxingforum24.com/showpost.php?p=13251969&postcount=138

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http://www.boxingforum24.com/showpost.php?p=14667107&postcount=127


So which one is it bailey:think
Froch didn't want Calzaghe? which was your original statement, or....
Froch wanted Calzaghe, which became you latest statement after being school on the subject.

 

Glen Johnson would have beaten Calzaghe . I even see Calzaghe kissing the canvas in some point of this fight . Glen Johnson aint no Robin Reid who Joe went life and death with . Glen Johnson 116-111 .

 

Great post there MAJR, I mean it is amazing to find out you spell retirement as retiremet. .

Folks need to pay attention to this guy here, don't let the minion status have you overlook this mans potential. Here is what I learnt from his rant above.

1. Calzaghe said he did not want any "tough" fights during his physical prime (tough fights may refer to Prime RJJ, Froch, Johnson, Pavlik.....etc)
2. Between 2006 - 2009 Calzaghe wanted no part of Carl Froch
3. Between 2006 - 2009 Calzaghe fought Evans Ashira
4. The Cobra was rated better than Sakio Bika since 2002 till now, but Calzaghe still never fought him
5. Howard Eastman refused a shitty offer from Calzaghe camp, later on he made 8 times the amount by fighting the best fighter that time BHop.

 

Joe only took the Hopkins fight because he though it would be easy beating a 43-year-old, Enzo Calzaghe himself told me this.

 

So, basically, what you are saying is that you dont want to see anyone present any argument that doesn't agree with you and will respond with sarcasm to anyone who dares to present such an argument.

 

Further Pwnage - Part 2

http://www.boxingforum24.com/showpost.php?p=14703752&postcount=163

Here is the IBF rankings for October 2006:-

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You thought Bika was IBF #1atsch, not only was Bika not IBF #1, he was not even in the top 5atsch, or the top 10atsch, or the top 15 manatsch

http://www.boxingforum24.com/showpost.php?p=14710597&postcount=186

I question whether you was following boxing in 2006 or was you following boxrec, Bika was not even considered top 10.

http://www.boxingforum24.com/showpost.php?p=14710597&postcount=186

Here is the WBO rankings for October 2006:-

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Nope you wrong there again, Froch well ahead of Bika in the WBO rankings.

http://www.boxingforum24.com/showpost.php?p=14710597&postcount=186

There you go, :thumbsup he was neither and Froch was ahead of Bika in the rankings, but Calzaghe wanted no part of Froch still.

 

You know I was taking it easy on you man, giving you some hype for a showdown for a later date, I don't usually pwn minions in front of a live global audience it is not my style so I was hoping you could build up a bit of a resume before you compete with me, but now I have to proceed with this:-

You claim, Sakio Bika was better than Carl Froch, because "Bika had at least fought for a World Title" is one of the shittest arguments I have come across in my ESB career. Observe:-

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As you can see, Branko Sobot who was a "late sub" to some, but a "bum" to many had done more than Svenn Ottke and Mikkel Kessler at some point, however only a deluded fan boy would consider Sobot to a better than the latter ones. Your logic is flawed my friend.
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- Odalainer Solis, Chisora, and Manuel Char have fought for the WBC World HW Title, so do you consider them better than Tyson Fury, Pulev and David Price?

- Paul McClockskey and Dmitriy Salita had fought for the WBA World LWW Title before April 2011, so did you consider them better than Lucas Matthyssse and Danny Garcia before April 2011?

- Mehdi Boudla has fought for the WBO SMW World title recently, so you would consider him a better opponent for Carl Froch than say Groves or DeGale?

- You would consider Khan vs Salita II more justifyable than Khan vs Brook because Salita has been in a World Title fight but Brook hasnt?

- So Rick Yoshimura was better than Leonard Dorin, Juan Lazcano, Collin Dunne, and Julio Diaz back in 2001/2002 because Rick Yoshimura had taken a World Champ to a draw but the others had not been in the ring with a champ at the time?

- Tocker Pudwill had at least been in the ring for 2 world Title fights back in 2002, so according to your logic, Tocker Pudwill was better than Jeff Lacy pre October 2004:roflatsch

The point: Just because you fought for a world title dont make you worthy world title contender?:deal
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Here is the IBF rankings for October 2006:-

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As you can see, not only is Froch ranked higher than Bika, Bika is not even in the top 5atsch, not even in the top 10, not even in the top 15.

Here is the WBO rankings for October 2006:-

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Again Froch is ranked higher than Bika, but this time Bika makes it into the top 15.

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Further owning

1. Froch's best win at the time was better than Bika's best win
2. Before Bika fought for the SMW world title, he was a Middleweight and that was Bika's first SMW title fight, Carl Froch had always been a SMW.
3. Bika had lost to Sam Solimon, who did Carl Froch lose to at that time?
4. Froch's British and Commonwealth SMW titles were alot more credible than Sakio Bika's OBPF and Austrailian MW titles
5. Froch was more known to not only Britain but to the entire globe more than Sakio Bika was

I think it has been established, and it is now irrefutable, Carl Froch was a better opponent for Joe Calzaghe than Sakio Bika was:deal

Hennessy turned the offer of 100000 as he considered it to be low ball offer. Howard Eastman vs Joe Calzaghe at that time could have generated a large sum, large enough for Eastman to be offered more than 100000. Eastman however made 800000 fighting Hopkins in his own division later on in his career, and was in title contention ever since fighting William Joppy back in 01.

Yes that is a fact.

And the fact still remains Joe Calzaghe said "I dont want tough fights", and he chose to fight Shot Roy Jones Jr instead of Kelly Pavlik, Dawson, Tarver, Johnson, BHop II, Froch. This happend between 2006-2009.

He fought Evans Ashira when better opposition was available, he fought Sakio Bika when he could have fought IBF Mandatory Stieglitz.

Matter of fact, he later gave up the IBF belt instead of facing Stieglitz who was promised a fight in December 2006.

Or do you think Bika was more worthy than Stieglitz because Bika had been in the ring with a world champ and Stieglitz hadnt.

That is understood, I am just stating the fact that Carl Froch was a lot better than Peter Manfredo then, and it is complete bull**** when you see folks here talk about Manfredo's best win Pemberton like Manfredo was better, Froch > Manfredo, thats the truth.

His retirement was not imminent, he took a further 3 - 6 months to decide to retire, while refusing offers from Froch, Johnson, Pavlik, Tarver, BHop II, and a few more. Here is what Joe Calzaghe said in regards to Carl Froch:-

"It's a big difference between 47-0 and 46-1. If I did lose, I'd never forgive myself. Why would I want another fight? It'd mainly be for money – that's the wrong reason."
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/ot...champion-Joe-Calzaghe-rules-out-comeback.html

This is also not entirely true, Calzaghe fought a few of the best available, but there are a dozen of fighters that were better than a Shot Roy Jones Jr. There are a dozen of fighters better than Peter Manfredo. There are a dozen of fighters better than Sakio Bika. There are a dozen of fighters better than Evans Ashira, for example Carl Froch and Glen Johnson.

 

And on the flip side Calzaghe is no Clinton Woods, Omar Sheika or Sven Ottke.

 

Of all the 21 SMW defences Joe made , only 4 or 5 were ever ranked in the top 10.
Joe even tried to fight a boxer who was dead and buried for two years.
Bailey's bull**** manifesto is now shot to ****.