Joe Calzaghe's world famous WBO ducktionary - a career of ducking examined

Froch vs Kessler II is levels ahead of Calzaghe vs Manfredo. Crowd size dont mean ****, when all the factors are considered.

We aint discussing main rivals, you said "all his SMW rivals", and I point out Ottke, Beyer, Bute, and a few more title holders were also his rivals. Main rivals is something you bought up later on.

 

What did he do that was trolling?

 

That was a close fight, could have gone either way. I thought Hopkins actually landed the better shots, just maybe not quite enough of them to pull it off.

 

Each to their own. I thought Hopkins landed a good shot at the end of round 7 after a headbutt and scored the KD, which wasnt a massive shot but caught Calzaghe when square on, but really didnt think Hopkins landed that many great shots after that. Calzaghe although flapping at times I felt landed well from round 4 onwards.
I thought Calzaghe was a clear winner.

 

It was a pretty ugly fight, Hopkins has that ability to make a fighter look horrible, very crafty and dirty with his antics, smart but sometimes frustrating to watch. I felt like the right man got the decision in the end.

 

Yet still wanted no part of Froch.

Ottke not fighting Calzaghe or Calzaghe not fighting Ottke is not the discussion, the discussion was about your point that Calzaghe beat "all his SMW rivals", and Ottke is clear proof that Calzaghe never

Here is you making the claim Calzaghe beat all his SMW rivals:-

http://www.boxingforum24.com/showpost.php?p=14744539&postcount=216

The fact is, Calzaghe did not beat all his SMW rivals, he also never fought all of his SMW rivals

 

To wrap up the pwnage:-

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I have not come across a respectable position that claimed Adamu got robbed, Charles Adamu was accepting defeat in the ring when congratulating Froch acknowledging he was beaten clearly, yet you seem to know people who did

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But eventually you accepted you was wrong after I schooled you on the topic:-

http://www.boxingforum24.com/showpost.php?p=14667107&postcount=127

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Here is the IBF rankings for October 2006:-

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As you can see Bika was not even in the top 15, while Froch was a ranked contender.

http://www.boxingforum24.com/showpost.php?p=14710597&postcount=186

I question whether you was following boxing in 2006 or was you following boxrec, Bika was not even considered top 10.

http://www.boxingforum24.com/showpost.php?p=14710597&postcount=186

Here is the WBO rankings for October 2006:-

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Again I had to school you on the topic of ratings, proving Froch was more worthy than Sakio Bika, and Bika was no where near the mandatory position.

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After I made that point, you responded:-

http://www.boxingforum24.com/showpost.php?p=14744539&postcount=216

Froch was more proven than Evans Ashira at SMW, more highly ranked, and more recognised.

 

I watched the fight, you read some boxing news and boxrec articles, go and watch the fight, Froch clearly won.

You claimed Froch never wanted to fight Calzaghe, now you flip flopping because you got schooled hard on the topic.

Fact is, Froch wanted the Calzaghe fight, Calzaghe never wanted the Froch fight.

You looked pretty stupid claiming Bika is IBF #1 when he was not even in the top 15.

Froch never got a world title fight because Calzaghe never wanted to give him one.

Another point: Just because a boxer fights for a world title, does not mean that boxer was a worthy challenger.

No one was willing to give Froch a top 10 ranked fighter a shot, but were giving Sakio Bika a shot who was not even in the top 15. Calzaghe never wanted it.

Why you bringing this into the discussion when it does not add or take away anything?

There is a consensus that Froch was rated higher than Sakio Bika by most boxing organisations and fans. However there is not a consensus that Shumenov is better than Pascal, so there is no comparison.

Froch had beaten better opposition, never lost to Sam Solimon, had been a career SMW all his career, while Bika's first ranking fight at SMW happen to be a world title shot which makes no sense.

Froch also was ranked higher by most governing bodies as well as fans and organisations.

Bika was losing on two cards. Explain this, Bika's first ranking fight at SMW was a world title shot, does that make sense, Froch held SMW titles at British and commonwealth level, while Bika held MW titles at Austrailian level. Froch was more proven SMW, Bika was no where near as accomplished as Froch yet he was seen as the cheaper low risk hence why he was given the shot.

Yes Froch said he wanted to win a world title, and Calzaghe was not giving him the shot to win that world title, so he was looking to get hold of any world title so Calzaghe would fight him.

According to my links, he was willing to fight Calzaghe in 2004/2005. Calzaghe dismissed Froch, and wanted no part of him saying he bought no money to the table, (but Ashira, Salem, Sobot, Pudwill, Mkrtchyan, Veit, Bika somehow did) so Froch said if he had a world title, Calzaghe wont be able to swerve him, meaning Calzaghe was swerving him.

You mention Froch wanted to win a world title so he had something to bring to the table like it was required for Calzaghe to only fight world champions.

I have already proven Calzaghe took 9 years to unify, he only fought two of his rivals in a 10 year period, and Ashira never had a title so why was it required for Froch to have one?

Calzaghe was swerving Froch to fight the likes of Bika and Ashira, so Froch said if he had a world title Calzaghe wont be able to swerve him because he wanted the Calzaghe fight badly.

 

you are claiming Bika was more worthy of a shot at Calzaghe because he had been in the ring with Markus Beyer.

According to your logic:-

You think Dereck Chisora is more worthy than Tyson Fury, or Kubaret Pulev for a shot at Wladimir just because Chisora held his own against Vitali, while Fury has been no where near a world title shot

You would think Adamek, Charr or Solis are more worthy than Fury, Price, Pulev, Helenius......... for a shot at Wladimir, just because they been in the ring with Vitali Klitsckho, while Fury, Price, Pulev, Helenius have been no where near a world title shot

Your logic is flawed, Froch was more worthy for a shot at Calzaghe than Bika was, but it was because Calzaghe wanted no part of Carl Froch the fight never materialised.

 

yeah its obvious that Calzaghe ran scared like fcuk from Froch and Johnson because he didn't want to get knocked the fcuk out and lose his unbeaten record. That's why Calzaghe fought regional nobodies for 10 years too aside from drawing with reid and beating a one handed kess.

 

damn, wrogn thread sorry.