Joe Calzaghe's world famous WBO ducktionary - a career of ducking examined

Calzaghe :- 46-0 (32)

22-0 (11) in world title fights

9-0 (2) against former or current world champions

From the end of 1999 to the end of 2003 Johnson went 3-6-2 (2), prior to him actually winning the title against Woods.

 

Around 06-07, had Froch distinguished himself as better than Lacy, Kessler or Bika? Bear in mind that Manfredo was for American TV exposure. Don't get me wrong, we know today though that Carl is better than all those guys bar Kessler. After Kessler, Joe moved up to LHW

True, where was Carl ranked by the WBO around 2004 when he started calling Joe out, is it possible to find out?

The Cleverly was offered after Bute, before Yusaf Mack, Carl could have taken the fight then come back down to SMW to fight Kessler, as a two weight champ. As I said though, Carl's team have a clear plan, and Cleverly isn't up there with the Bute's and Kessler's yet, so I don't hold it against Carl whatsoever.

I agree, but no doubt there'll be some wind up merchant in a few years time saying 'Froch ducked Cleverly', which will obviously not be true. Joe was up at LHW when he vacated his WBC title that Froch was mandatory to.

Thanks for posting, I watched the whole interview. Froch v DeGale or Groves are interesting fights, I know Carl gave George some hard sparring. I'd like to see these fights, we'll see what happens.

I like Eubank jr as a prospect, but I don't think he'll get to that level

Carl would be Joe's 4th best win after Hopkins, Kessler and Eubank, so that's very true.

I'll need to look up where Carl was ranked by the WBO around 05-07, but I remember the big fight around then being Lacy. Joe only Veit in a rematch because it was a mandatory, if Joe turned it down, he would have lost his belt, and his bargaining chip in the Lacy fight.

Yeah, similarly Froch-Cleverly can't generate the money Froch-Kessler 2 will, but it would be a big domestic fight, I'd still like to see that fight if possible

That's interesting, I wonder how fat Mick would have found £5mil to pay Joe with enough left over to pay Carl what he deserves

Froch's best win is Bute, so his best back to back wins would be Bute-Mack, I still think Manfredo-Kessler is better, although Manfredo was terrible (just the kind of opponent Joe gets slated for fighting), the Kessler win was top notch. The Bute win was an excellent win though, I hate the revisionism now that 'Bute was a hypejob, never that good in the first place', Bute was highly regarded going into that fight, Carl destroyed him and deserves full credit for doing so. That was an amazing night, I regret not being able to go and see it live (work commitments :-()

True, though I think Joe's win over Eubank was a good win, even though Chris was 'shot, weight drained and retired'. Just like I think Carl's win over Glen Johnson was a good win, even though Glen was 42 and lost his next two fights. I look at what I see on the night, against Carl, Glen put on a good fight and Carl deserves credit for winning. Against Joe, Chris put on a good fight, and looked good going up in weight to challenge Carl Thompson twice, so for me that's a good win as well.

 

Froch will retire having a better legacy than Joe.

 

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Dino,

That made me laugh out loud ha!

And that's the belt he sat on for all those years. Nobody respected the WBO back then.

The truth was, he was happy defending it, and he was happy with the pay it brought. Nothing wrong with that, and I respect it.

But his reluctance to part with it, cost him.

He said that he wanted to be in big fights against the likes of Roy, but the longer he defended it, the less chance they had of being made.

He should have dropped the belt and moved up to 175 earlier.

 

How's it going mate?

Hope you've had a good weekend.

Have you seen anything of Golovkin yet pal?

 

Funny stuff alright. Bailey didn't like that! He had all the opportunity's but never took them.

 

In 2006 - 2007, Froch was not better than Jeff Lacy or Mikkel Kessler. As for Sakio Bika read further.

I have to thank you for making me find out as I found out some more interesting observations. Check out the WBO website:-

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On the top left corner just put in the Year, month and WBO and you can see the rankings for that time period.:good

The first time Carl Froch was ranked by the WBO was in August 2005 where he was ranked #11.

In September 2005, Calzaghe fought #10 ranked Evans Ashira, while Froch was ranked #11. After the fight Ashira became #15, Froch became #9.

In October 2006 when Calzaghe fought Sakio Bika, Carl Froch was ranked #4 SMW by the WBO, while Bika was ranked #13 by the WBO. So according to the World Boxing Organisation, Carl Froch was better than Sakio Bika.

Check out this interview, Froch explains why he doesn't fight at LHW from 0:35 - 0:45. At 2:50 he says it is better for him to move down than to move up in regards to weight classes.

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When that wind up merchant pops up in a few years time, he/she would be another troll we can pwn during out time kill on ESB.

Carl Froch says an interesting point regarding Eubank Jr, he says when Eubank Jr hits his opponents they still there. Against an Iron Chin warrior vs Froch Eubank would be dead. But to be honest, I see something in Eubank Jr that makes me think he is tough.

I personally would put it Kessler, Hopkins, Froch, Eubank....

I dont think Mario Veit was a mando. Check out that WBO website 2005 Jan - May Rankings, I cant find Veit anywhere on the ratings list. Veit was just another bum to pad up Joe's record.

Clev is a weight class above, just check out the video of Froch talking LHW and MW.

I never trust what promoters say, they are supposed to chat **** its their job.

 

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Hi mate, my weekends been good, you? And yeah I've seen his last two fights. He looks decent to me, composed and he picks his punches well, reminds me of Kessler. I'd like to see him fight Dmitry Pirog next. What do you think?

I just had a look at that, looks useful. Thanks for looking that up :good

Good point to be fair, all in all Carl was obviously desperate to fight Joe. Carl's very confident, and in his mind I'm sure he feels he would have knocked Joe out, personally I see it being a gruelling fight with Joe winning the points decision.

Thanks for posting. SMW suits Carl perfectly, and whilst he's clearly better than Cleverly, it's Cleverly's size and strength that would pose problems along with his hand speed and work-rate. If Carl could get down to 160 safely, he'd be a monster. I still think Carl could beat Clev, but there are still good fights to be made at SMW.

It will be probably be a Bute fan, still upset about what the Cobra did to their hero. I look forward to destroying these minions

I've seen quite a few of Eubank Jr's fights, he's skillful and puts punches together well. But he's facing area level journeyman, and his punches aren't having any effect, when he steps up he's going to face someone who will be good enough to close the distance on him, and land their own punches. It will be interesting to see how he deals with it

Fair enough

Obviously beating Veit is nothing to write home about, but I think Calz was due to fight Brian Magee in Ireland, and at the weigh in Veit invoked his mandatory status to force Joe to fight him. If Joe said no, he would have lost his belt and bargaining chip in negotiations

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I know Joe gets a lot of stick for saying 'I don't do rematches', when he rematched a guy who he KO'd in 1 round But I think his hands were tied here

Yeah, Carl as a SMW comes into the ring weighing 171, Clev will come into the ring as a LHW weighing around 185, the size disparity is huge. Froch v DeGale could be a good fight in 2 years time if Carl is still fighting then, which I think he can do no problem, he's aged well.

David Haye put it best, 'Boxing promoters are all c**** by nature,' but of course there's no doubt Carl would have jumped at the chance to fight Joe, Carl is a throwback. Joe was more of a money fighter, and a clever businessman. If he had the profile he has today 6 years ago, and Joe refused to fight him, that would be a confirmed duck

 

Knockout,

Hi mate, yeah had a good one thanks.

I haven't really seen him yet, only clips. I haven't watched any of his full fights yet. I'm going to have a look at him. I just wondered with all of the hype, if you'd seen him. I've read a few interesting interviews with him.

I'll check him out.

Thanks mate.

 

Wrong again.
You keep getting it wrong dont you!
Collins backed out

Calzaghe was due to challenge world champ Collins, but Collins chose to retire.
Some time during Calzaghes reign. Collins decided on a comeback but passed out after sparring Howard Eastman and decided against a comeback.
Collins was going to have a warm up and then challenge Calzaghe. They would have been on the same bill and then fought each other next.

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