Joe Calzaghe's world famous WBO ducktionary - a career of ducking examined

That was not said by me, I never bought up 4-0 Froch, you did however. I talked about the Froch that won the British and Commonwealth titles. Also Froch never called out Calzaghe when he was 4-0, however when he was 13-0 he did.

Froch is better than McIntyre, Thornberry and Manfredo

That is what happens when you just go on boxrec and not follow boxing. Carl Froch was contracted in the Super6 and had no choice of opposition, in the semi final draw, Froch was paired up with Glen Johnson so he had to fight him. Lay off the boxrec.

Carl Froch became the WBC mandatory, that is more than enough to earn a shot at Calzaghe, but Joe Calzaghe wanted no part of him. And I disagree with those highlighted in bold above.

Carl Froch was ranked in the WBO top 10 from Sept 2005 onwards. When Calzaghe fought Sakio Bika, Carl Froch was ranked higher by the WBO than Bika yet Calzaghe fought Bika and not Froch. Calzaghe clearly wanted no part of Carl Froch.

I dont think Calzaghe even wanted part of Howard Eastman to be honest, we know Calzaghe dont like tough fighters with power and workrate that is why he wanted no part of Johnson, Froch and Eastman.

When did Manfredo win the contender?

Froch bought in more money than Sheika, Pudwill, Thornberry..... Matter of fact Fat Mick, Froch's promoter at the time "allededly" offered Calzaghe 5 million pounds. Now I dont think that it was 5 million, but even a portion of that is more money than most of Calzaghe's opposition.

Froch was more known than Sobot, Gimenez, Thornberry, Starie, Sheika, Veit, McIntyre, Jimenez, Pudwill, Mkrtchyan, Salem, Ashira, and Sakio Bika. Especially in the UK.

Calzaghe acknowledged Froch wanted it, Froch openly said he wanted it, the only people that didnt want it was Frank (who you quote) and Calzaghe (who admits Froch wanted it).

Froch never said he HAS to win a title to get a Calzaghe fight, Froch said Calzaghe probably wouldn't fight him unless he got a world title, since Calzaghe was showing signs of cowardice, Froch realised the only way to get Calzaghe in the ring would be having his own world title.

There were many world champions out there to unify with, and it took him 9 years to unify which is an absolute disgrace. Look at Andre Ward already unified champ. Hopkins had unified within 4/5 years, Calzaghe took twice as long in a division where champions were popping up left right and centre.

I never said Froch was not marketable, I said Eastman was more marketable than Froch. And Calzaghe wanted no part of either.

 

Was Calzaghe **** scared of Carl Froch? I think this thread has established the fact Calzaghe avoided fighters that were:-

1. Tough
2. Had power
3. Had good workrate

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I will just lay down some facts in chronological order for you to decide and derive your own opinion.

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"I'd like to fight Calzaghe, probably next year after a couple of fights for the British title," said Froch.

"That would be an outrageous win because Calzaghe's a good fighter, a very strong fighter, he's been around a few years, and I just feel I've got exactly what you need to beat him." - Carl Froch at 13-0

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/boxing/3673602.stm

At this point, Carl Froch wasn't even the British SMW champion, however he still showed desire in fighting WBO SMW champion Joe Calzaghe.

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"Froch will have to work like I have done to establish myself on the world scene," - Joe Calzaghe

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/boxing/3698536.stm

After these words where Calzaghe dismissed Carl Froch, Calzaghe went on to fight:-

Kabery Salem
Mario Veit

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"Then when Ashira walked out I almost choked on my cocoa. I had to do a double take to make sure it wasn't Baby Jake Matlala.

"I have come to expect Joe to pick on easy targets,"

I believe Calzaghe knows that isn't that hard a job.

http://www.eastsideboxing.com/news.php?p=4633&more=1

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"Why doesn't Joe get bold and call me out? Like I said before, perhaps he knows what I do: that I will smoke his boots, I will end his career.

http://www.eastsideboxing.com/news.php?p=4633&more=1

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"Bully's don't call out the real big boys. They like to have things stacked in their favour, they want it all on their own terms. That's why when the going gets tough they run home to their daddies."

http://www.eastsideboxing.com/news.php?p=4633&more=1

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"I know what to do to beat Calzaghe,.......I don't think Calzaghe will fight me unless I put a meaningful title on the line but if I get one of the major belts he could not swerve me. - Carl Froch

"Carl will prove himself to be the best fighter in the country bar none. I truly believe he will knock Calzaghe out." - Fat Mick

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/boxing/5023478.stm

Froch hoped for a Calzaghe fight, when Calzaghe just beaten Jeff Lacy.

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WBO rankings at this point stood like:-

Champ: Joe Calzaghe
1. Dennis Inkin
2. Lucian Bute
3. Carl Froch

Calzaghe never fought any of the three closest ranked fighters.

"Joe says he's looking to make the most money possible from his next fight,........ Given the options open to him, that must mean fighting me. It certainly wouldn't mean someone like Inkin. - Carl Froch.

"I am a proper challenger. I am the best in the division and politics shouldn't stop us meeting. It would be an exciting battle before I

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." - Froch

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/boxing/6545105.stm

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"Soon he will have no choice but to

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or fight me, then we will see what kind of man he is" - Carl Froch

we all know what Joe Calzaghe did, he vacated.

"If he is a proud and strong man and a warrior, which I believe he is, he should step in the ring with me and we will put on a great British fight. - Carl Froch

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/boxing/6390425.stm

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"I consider myself world class now," the Nottingham fighter added. "I am on Joe's trail at the moment and I have already said I am willing to step up to light-heavyweight.

"There are other fights out there for me - Jurgen Breahmer and Christian Sannavia - but Joe Calzaghe is the big one for me." - Carl Froch

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/boxing/7085122.stm

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Calzaghe vs Hopkins, Joe was offered less something around £3.5 Million

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"My argument is not will Joe Calzaghe fight me because maybe I don't want to fight Joe Calzaghe,"

Read more: http://www.metro.co.uk/sport/extra/441991-froch-says-no-go-to-joe-calzaghe#ixzz1zgEGGoiD

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"I dont think that fight will ever happen now, especially as Calzaghe's lifestyle was recently exposted......

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I really dont care if he does come out of retirement or not," - Carl Froch

http://www.***********.com/carl-froch-calzaghe-regret-his-decision-not-me--27129

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"I wanted the challenge and he didn't. End of story - Carl Froch

http://www.***********.com/carl-froch-calzaghe-regret-his-decision-not-me--27129

 

thanks for posting realsoulja..

I have never read that far into it, but it sure seems Froch spent the majority of his career chasing Calzaghe pretty hard. It is obvious Joe's fights were picked very carefully. I wonder what it was in Froch that Calzaghe saw and wanted to avoid? Froch flat out called him out, even insulted him, it does seem pretty weak that Joe didn't fight him.

 

I will return later and show you how you havent thought about it at all.
Just tell me how far accomplished Froch was at that time, or even when Calzaghe had his last fight? This will be good

 

Froch would of beaten or at least had a very good chance to beat Joe.

Its been proven with Direll and Bute that he can deal with handspeed. Direll only gave him problems by dancing around on the backfoot. Had Dirrell planted his feet and went toe to toe with Froch he would have gotten layed out on the spot.
It wasn't Calzaghe's style to fight on the backfoot and he cant match Froch for power and toughness and will likely get worn and chopped down in a late tko.

Calzaghe camp clearly felt this way also and is why they avoided him like the plauge and gave up the WBC belt rather than fight him.

 

The Cobra does often get underrated in H2H matchups, and Carl is a very tough fighter who would cause problems for almost any SMW ever. I say this as a Froch fan, he would get clearly outpointed by Calzaghe - why are you doing your utmost to make Froch fans look delusional!? No-one on ESB would agree with this nonsense you've just posted

Have you not considered that Calzaghe gave up the WBC belt because he'd moved up to LHW and couldn't come back down to SMW? :think

 

Calzaghe beat Lacy off the back foot for large parts.
Froch doesnt handle workrate and admits himself he couldnt outpoint calzaghe and could only hope for a KO and that doesnt seem likely.
Calzaghe possibly hits harder than Froch.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUTGQ47Qwrs

Froch 819
Calzaghe right off the scale over 999

Enjoy :hi:

 

Froch can handle workrate , its been proven. Calzaghe cant swap punches with Froch who is a harder hitter and unfortunately for Joe thats his only gameplan.

 

Who's he fought that averages 100 punches a round?

Why can't he swap punches with Carl? He has the faster hands, better reflexes and better upper body movement. He's not going to stand in front of Carl and slug it out all night

Joe swapped punches with Kessler, a harder hitter that worked out fine. Oh, and if you'd ever watched the fighter you're talking about, you know Joe has alot more to his game other than trading punches. But then, I am speaking to dinovelvet, one of the worst posters on the ESB general and classic

 

The same thing can be said about Calzaghe, who has he fought that averages 100 punches a round?

Calzaghe himself never averaged 100 punches per round maybe against a bum but it is very difficult for a fighter at SMW to average 100 punches per round, against Kessler he averaged 84 punches per round. Carl Froch himself proves he also has a solid workrate because he averaged 80 punches per round against Kessler.

Calzaghe's glass hands would have shattered had he landed any of his slaps on Froch's cast iron chin.

 

Which fighter outworked Froch?

Kessler threw an average of 56 punches against Froch. There is no basis for such a claim that Froch can not handle workrate.

 

Calzaghe faced his opponents straight on with his chin exposed . Froch uses angles and would repeatedly catch Calzaghe with hard shots. Shots that will slow down his workrate.

Ive probably been watching Joe longer than you pencil top.

You think Groves is going to generate as much excitement worldwide as Tyson did. Anybody who can think that knows absolute **** about boxing.

 

I don't care how accomplished you think he was.. He was a well known world class fighter that called Calzaghe out over and over to the point of insulting him... It seems weak Calzaghe didn't fight him.