joe calzague couldnt lace roy jones boots in his prime

Eubank has stated multiple times that he didn't want to fight Roy. Why people still accuse Roy of ducking him is completely beyond me.

 

Listen, I think Roy is very talented and his athleticism and reflexes were one of a kind but he was protected as **** and some of his achievements, LHW (paper)champion and beating John Ruiz lol are not achievements.
That's basically Broner moving up in weight and beating Paulie.

If he faced a real heavyweight he would have been destroyed.
I'm just imaging Tua in there with him now.
Christ.

He was never Heavyweight champion of the world, not by a long shot.
He was never LWH champion of the world. He held a belt but he never was champion.
He was a phenomenon at 160-168
I just think Collins and Joe would have beaten him with their non-stop aggressive style, and granite chins.
All wrong for him.
Eubank vs Jones 50/50
He beats Benn 9/10 times, but I think Benn would catch him on the ropes in 120 rounds and knock him spark out.

That's not my biased British pride saying that. I think he was over-hyped and his only note-worthy win to me was James Toney.

 

That's a statement from Eubank.

 

Did Roy Jones Jr duck you?
“I was never mandated. But I asked Roy Jones about 10 or 12 years ago if he’d said back in ’93 that the one fighter he thought would give him problems and had reservations of taking on was me. He told me yes that was true.”

Seems they avoided one another.

 

Well you are painting Roy to be some serial ducker, at the same time standing by a statement that states Roy had reservations of taking on ONE fighter.

 

It appears that nobody can get through to you.

Let's try one more time.

Roy beat the best at the weight, and according to Roy, HBO, and Liles's manager, Liles didn't want the fight.

A Benn fight was also hard to make.

Nobody back then cared much about the WBO, so there was NO unification.

It's all in your head.

Roy couldn't unify his IBF with the WBA and the WBC, so he moved up to a new division.

Collins got left behind.

A guy who was scared of Collins at 27, doesn't fight at HW in his mid 30's.

A guy who was scared of Collins at 27, doesn't fight Tarver in his mid 30's after coming back from HW, as well as fighting Calzaghe at almost 40.

Now you keep mentioning that Collins beat Benn and Eubank.

Were they incredible feats?

Eubank should have had three losses on his resume when he fought Collins, and Benn was finished after he'd lost to Malinga.

Now why don't you criticise Collins for not wanting Calzaghe?

Why don't you criticise Calzaghe for not wanting Froch?

 

Benn would have fought him.
Collins called him out in the middle of the ring.
Joe would have fought him.
Eubank's quote I enjoy posting shows they avoided one another.

True champions unify divisions.
Jones was as much as a World champion in the SMW division as Eubank, Benn and Collins were.
People inflate his achievements in that division.
I'm just pointing out the flaws in the argument.

 

I just hope all of the above, is you having a joke.

Because if you're serious, you need to stop embarrassing yourself.

You are you so out of your depth here.


I'm going to have a quick joke with you.

If the Ruiz win was worthless, then why would you give a f**k that Roy didn't fight Collins?

Ha!

Do you know how ******ed that is?

He beat a top ten HW at 34, after 50 fights, with ease, yet you're upset that he didn't fight a guy who's best wins were against faded versions of Benn and Eubank?


I think you need to debate another subject.

 

See, you dismiss Collins as just being a "fringe" type World champion as Froch and Joe were at the time.
He was a seasoned veteran who beat 2 of the best SMW's around and than called out the supposed number 1 in the division?
Jones ran from this challenge, ran from unifying a division.
People with a lot to lose run from challenges and cherry pick World Champions in higher weight classes.
He was Floyd Mayweather before Floyd Mayweather.


As for Joe vs Collins.
I'm a bigger Joe fan than Collins so. My take on that is Collins did duck a very dangerous Calzaghe to retire with his dignity in tact.
I'll defend Joe vs Froch also?
Froch was, and never will be in Joe's league.
Joe already unified SMW before moving up to LHW and dethroning Hopkins.
That's what makes Joe great. He could have ran from Kessler.
He decided to beat him instead and unify the division before moving on up.

That's why Jones will never be ATM number 1 at SMW.
He never did much there.

:deal

 

Benn and Collins would def have fought him.

Joe, no chance.

Collins got in the ring when Roy was at LHW, and Collins had been retired two years.

How could Roy have unified SMW?

Liles didn't want the fight. His own manager left him at that point.

A Benn fight was hard to make.

So tell us how a unification could have happened?

Nobody cared about the WBO.


Roy unified LHW in his next fight after Collins had gotten in the ring.

He unified against Reggie Johnson.

Guess what?

The WBO wasn't needed.


Let us know when all of the above has sunk in.

 

How many more times?

Collins beat two faded former champs.

His belt wasn't respected.

If Roy had've beaten him, he wouldn't have been the unified champ.

You must be related to Bailey.

Again, a guy who runs from Collins, doesn't offer to fight Liles, then proceeds to fight Tarver, Ruiz and Calzaghe.

It's illogical.

Please, don't type any more nonsense.

 

Did you just call John Ruiz a top ten heavyweight at that time? :/

HAHAHHAHAHA

He's as much of a top ten fighter as Wilder currently is.

 

Yes, but that fight was hard to make due to politics.

Collins was retired, Roy chose to fight Reggie Johnson, a LHW champ instead, who beat Collins. HBO and Roy did not take Collins seriously.

Only for the crown jewels, which he wasn't going to get at the time. Also he made it very clear that he wasn't chasing Roy.

Yet, Calzaghe's statements don't show that he wasn't too interested in fighting Roy? Biased.

Yet you are discrediting Roy for ignoring retired Collins to unify against Reggie Johnson? More biased agenda.

I believe I pointed out the flaws in your argument.

 

Hey!

I'm in Cyprus, and every time I have s*x with my girlfriend, I can see those photos of Roy in my mind.

Ha!

What's all that about?


Back on topic, DiBella never wanted the Collins fight for HBO.

He wanted Roy to unify with Reggie, and that's what happened.

Nobody apart from Collins would gave gained anything from that fight in 1999.

In fact, Collins could have gotten seriously hurt.

Because he was advised to retire not long after, after collapsing in training.


Regarding Gunn, I believe that Hrynov got Roy a better deal in Russia at that last minute. I don't think the Gunn fight was even going to be televised.