joe calzague couldnt lace roy jones boots in his prime

Don't dismiss Ruiz, then hype Collins, it's embarrassing.

Ruiz was the WBA HW champ.

Collins was the WBO SMW champ.

 

Joe was WBO champion, until he decided to unify the division like a boss.

Jump up a division and then beat the crap out of the LHW Ring champion at the time, unifying 2 divisions in the process.

Collins held the WBO belt and wanted to unify the division before he retired.
Jones ran to LHW to win a belt, not THEEE belt but just a belt...

 

John Ruiz was gifted victory after victory due to his association with Don King.
Ruiz was merely a sacrificial lamb to the Roy Jones hype machine.

There. I said it.

 

This is completely crazy man.

Jones ran to LHW for one belt? No, I believe that was Calzaghe, who you just credited for unifying LHWatsch

You are aware the belt Joe won at LHW was the ring belt that Roy once held right??

You are going in complete circles.:-(

 

Sorry, who was the man at LHW during 2007?
Remind me again?

This isn't circles, its a direct route to the reality of the situation.

Hopkins was regarded as THE man at 175lbs
After Joe unified his division, he moved up and beat THE man at 175lbs
Is this a figment of my imagination?

What Joe did, Jones could have done when he moved up to LHW fighting THE man, instead of some paper champion.
If Jones wanted to be the man at Heavyweight, he should have beaten Lewis, not Ruiz!

As I said earlier, Ruiz was merely a Paulie and Jones was Broner picking an easy opponent to cement his "legacy"

 

If you are going to use the argument that Jones was just a paper champion and never the man at LHW, then you can't say Hopkins and Calzaghe were... You can't have it both ways.

 

No, he "ran" up there to win THREE belts, and a bunch of other little ones.
He won the IBF belt for example by beating Reggie Johnson, who had already beaten Collins.

he won the WBC title of Mike McCallum who had beaten Collins

And yes, Ruiz was top 10. Deal with it.

You dont seem to realize how hilarious you sound when you say Roy Jones ran to 175 to "escape" from Steve Collins

He wasnt afraid to fight a guy 30lbs heavier than him, but was scared to fight ab guy that Reggie Johnson beat.

You sound so ridiculous that you're makiing me belittle a childhood hero of mine!

 

Ward currently has 1 belt at SMW, he's regarded as THE man because of his achievements there.
Hopkins was THE man back in 2007 at LHW up until 2010 when Dawson hit peak form.

If you disagree with that, then I'm sorry. you're wrong.

Jones was a paper champion because he decided to face Griffin instead of Dariusz Michalczewski
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If you followed Collins' career as you proclaimed you did you'd know he was a completely different fighter when he lost to Reggie and McCallum after he moved up in weight.
He was a boxer/puncher at Middleweight.
When turned into a brawler/puncher. He found his niche.

 

I think you are off here..

When Jones first fought Griffin, Virgil Hill was the champion. Are you going to call Roy afraid of Hill now?

And lets look to see why Hopkins was considered the man at LHW...

Jones lost to Tarver, who lost to G.Johnson who lost to Tarver who lost to Hopkins..

It is undeniable that Hopkins' and Calzaghe's claim to being the man at LHW came through beating Roy.. This is a fact.. Like it or not.

If you want to stick with your claim of DM being the man, then you need to stick to that lineage, and not jump ship as soon as your hero wins a belt.

 

McCallum maybe.

Reggie Johnson, not so much.

Jones completely decimated him. Beat him for every minute of every round.

Collins would have to have been 3x the fighter in the intervening years.
He wasnt

So you think Jones was afroad of Collins but not the guy that beat Collins?

 

Roy isn't the GOAT at 168. His only good win there was Toney. His other wins at that weight are over blown up Pazienza and Antoine Byrd.

 

Just looking at the highlights of the Reggie, fight, Collins looked dehydrated, weak and vulnerable to punches. Those extra 8lbs worked wonders.

 

Well he managed to win a world title at 160 AFTER he fought Reggie...maybe hewasnt suffering that much...

 

John Ruiz was a bigger fight for Roy at the time than Calzaghe, and made him a lot more money, and a 4 weight world champion.

There I said it.