joe calzague couldnt lace roy jones boots in his prime

Ruiz was picked because he was relatively small and featherfisted.

It's not a great win.

 

DM held 3 of the belts(This makes him unified champion)
3 months after the first fight.

Jones had 1!


There was only 1 Man in LWH during that time. His name wasn't Jones.

 

Next time I correct you, as simple thanks will work.

So explain how the hell Hopkins and Calzaghe became the Man at LHW then?

 

John Ruiz beat nobody before King placed him in with Holyfield.
I'm speculating here but I think Holyfield was supposed to beat Ruiz(Convincingly), then have a showdown with Jones for a mega-fight.

Looks suspicious as hell to me.

I know one thing, The average Ruiz who defeated Golota a few fights later(Most people think Golota won) never showed up for his fight with Jones.

 

If Ward fought Dawson at 175lbs instead of a catch-weight and beat him convincingly like he did would Ward not be the MAN at LHW in the aftermath?
Of course he would.

Dawson was regarded as the best 175lbs when they fought.
If somebody moves up or down in weight and beats him, he becomes the man.

Ya'kno, two all time greats currently do this.
Mayweather and Manny?
That just stumped your brain didn't it?

 

If GGG moved up to SMW and beat Ward he would be number 1 at 168lbs

You going to even debate this?

 

It took Joe ten years to unify.

He could have moved up to LHW in 2003, and been mandatory to fight Gonzalez.

But he didn't want to know.


HOW could Collins have unified with Roy?

??


Who did Joe beat the crap out of?

How did he unify two divisions?


Roy went moved up from SMW and fought better fighters than Collins.

 

What did Joe do?

It took him ten years and his biggest wins were Lacy and Kessler.

Roy accomplished almost as much in 7 fights, that Joe did in 44.

 

Why are you bringing Ward, Dawson, Pacquiao, and Mayweather into this argument?

I asked you to explain, how Calzaghe became the man of the division if Roy never was. Being as Hopkins became the man by beating the man who dethroned Roy.

I believe it is you who are stumped.

 

A 220 pound HW was feather fisted?

A 34 year old LHW dominating a HW, wasn't a great win?

Ruiz was picked?


Come back when you have a clue what you're talking about.

 

Actually, Bernard has NEVER been THE MAN at LHW. I'm a couple years older than Hopkins so I've followed his career from the early 90s. I'd be pleased to say that was true if it were. But that is not the environment that existed. And, in the US he certainly was not recognized as THE MAN at LHW. There simply wasn't one. He got a nice win over Tarver but it didn't accord him that designation. There were other factors that made it evident that no one had either a claim nor was it given by the fans, the sport, the participants, the trainers, the promotors, etc., no one. Bernard got the upset in mid '06 but there was no major belt. If anyone had a weak claim in these years it was Chad Dawson. He beat Adamek in early '07 for the WBC. He backed it up by beating both Glen Johnson (twice) and Tarver (twice) in '08 and '09. All three were old guys in a long declining sport. In the US there was no pomp and circumstance from BHOP's Tarver victory.

 

Well, you can't say Ruiz was a power puncher.

And Roy picked Ruiz because he was the least risky option.

Roy's win over Ruiz for a trinket belt doesn't compare to Spinks beating Holmes for the lineal title.

 

Sven Ottke, remember him? He stopped Joe from unifying.
Mitchell held the other belt until he faced Sven, and then got knocked out in rd 2 vs Joe in his next fight.
Sven wasn't leaving Germany because he would lose his belts, he never had to. He was champion.
Joe knew he would need to knock out Sven in order to unify if he travelled to Germany. Its not worth the risk.
Joe was happy as being recognised at THE man in The Super-middle weight division even though he only held the WBO strap.
When Sven retired and the belts were vacant. Joe went about unifying the division. Which he did in spectacular fashion by destroying "Mini-Mike Tyson" Jeff Lacy.
Kessler soon followed...

How could Collins have unified with Jones?
Simple, they fight one another and declare themselves as the man at SMW & number 1 in the division.
Unless you think Liles is better than Collins? :/
Liles is simply in Cotto's position. He's no threat to GGG.
Liles was no threat to Collins nor Jones.

Who did Joe beat the crap out of?
Undefeated Jeff Lacy and undefeated Mikell Kessler.
He unified the division.

He was unified 168lbs champion and moved up to 175lbs and butt-****ed Hopkins(Who was regarded as the man at 175lbs) on PPV

 

These excuses you make for Joe sound a lot like the ones made for why Roy wouldn't want to go to Germany... Roy thought he would need more than a KO to win..

So why the double standard?

And again, you need to stop calling Hopkins the man at LHW if you are not going to give Roy credit.

 

When Roy moved up in weight he fought for 1 title and never tried to unify the division, again...

DM held THREE belts, was undefeated and was regarded as a danger to Jones' plans for World domination so Jones never chased the fight.

Jones only become the man, after DM got old.
Darius would attempt for six years to secure a bout with his American counterpart, Roy Jones Jr, without success. After his titles were stripped from Dariusz, Jones would win Michalczewski's belts and spuriously declare himself "undisputed world champion". Jones steadfastly refused all offers for a lucrative fight with Darius and even made an attempt to ban the mention of Michalczewski's name on his home network, HBO. Seth Abraham, president and CEO of HBO, refused Jones demand and in 2002 a fan poll showed that the fight fans most wanted to see was Darius Michalczewski vs Roy Jones Jr. Jones continued to refuse offers for the fight however.