Joe Calzahge VS Jake Lamotta at Super Middle

Robinson in his first fight with LaMotta weighed in at 144½lbs. His in ring weight would have been not much higher than that.

Calzaghe regularly enters the ring at 175-180+lbs.

30-40lbs is a bit more than a few dont you think :good

 

Calzaghe by UD. LaMotta is one tough son of a *****, but Calzaghe outworks him to a UD by two or three rounds. No knockdowns in this one, but a fair amount of blood spilt!

 

I like Joe in this match up because of the speed difference..........Calzaghe/UD

 

I really don't think Calzaghe can keep the relentless Raging Bull off of him. Joe doesn't hit hard enough to discourage the iron jawed LaMotta either. I really don't think Calzaghe and his thin frame at 168, could stand up to a punishing attack from LaMotta. Jake would eventually have Joe backing up which is not good for Calzaghe.

My pick would have to be LaMotta close UD with both fighters taking their share of punishment.

 

Yeah but your saying La Motta is taking brutal beatings to prove he is a warrior, and as you correctly point out Calzaghe has not taken nearly as much punishment in his fights. So how can you say Calzaghe is not a warrior when by your standards he has not had the chance to prove it. I.e. he has not taken a brutal beating.
(Calzaghe's opposition as debated on here many a time is not as strong as it could have been but its far from poor. RJJ and B-Hop are fights that could have happened earlier but they didnt for whatever reason.)

He took some big uppercuts against kessler and was dropped in the b-hop fight yet he adjusted and won. None of them are La Motta type beatings but I dont think you can say a fighter who has not been troubled by his opposition is not a warrior.


If he had stayed down for a count or given up in the ring then I would say yeah okay your right he lacked heart there. Tony Thompson against Klitch was not a warrior and gave up too easily, if something like that had happened then sure you can say it. Is mayweather not a warrior because he has not been beat to a pulp? Because he is so good should he stop using his skills and stand and trade to earn the warrior reputation?
In many of his fights Joe will stand and trade (Stupidly) even when the fight is in the bag he is willing to stand and trade.

Dont get me wrong LaMotta is a warrior and a hard as nails boxer who took some hellacious beatings but I dont think you can say any boxer is not a warrior unless they have given up in a fight.

 

It's funny how every single analysis for every fight involving Calzaghe seems to be "I can't see Joe hurting him, he'll just walk through his punches".

It rarely if ever happens at this level, and its never happened to Calzaghe. Walking through punches is one of the most overused phrases in relation to the number of times it actually happens. I can only think of Cotto Margarito where this truely happened in recent times.

 

everybody pickin joe huh. the raging bull beat sugar ray robinson- the best fighter ever, and you're tellin me he cant beat joe calzaghe thats insane

 

SRR was the greatest ever at welter. Not middleweight. Nothing insane about it as there are some well argued points here. Check out Mcgrains if you want to see one in favour of Lamotta.

 

who cares roy is goin to humiliate joe

 

i know these people need to stop smoking whateva it is there smokin

 

Calzaghe would not be puting enough power into his shots to break his hands and as well as that, thinking about it, dont most fighters break their hands throwing power shots.

I dont think Calzaghe would break his hand jabbing.

I dont think Calzaghe would fiight going backwards, at least not on his bike, Calzaghe is at his best when his opponent is going forward. He would be moving backwards at a similar speed to what LaMotta is moving forward. Maintaining the distance essentially.

Calzaghe's footspeed would allow him to move in and out and maintain the distance.

I have no idea how Calzaghe would deal with a relentless body attack.

He has shown not a great deal of vunerability in the past.

I think LaMotta is basically playing into Calzaghe's hands with his style to be honest.

I think where we disagree is basically I see Calzaghe getting the better of LaMotta upclose ish, and being able to maintain the distance, and you dont.

The only way I see Jake wining is if Calzaghe breaks his hands, which is not unreasonable, I am going on the assumption he wont and will pretty badly outbox LaMotta.