bailey, It will always be like that. The live gate is only a small part of the promotion in the U.S. The tickets in Vegas will be considerably higher than the Froch and Groves tickets, and it will generate more money through PPV. Eddie Hearn has to pay to hire out Wembley, whereas the casinos in Vegas actually pay the U.S. promoters to host the event. People would argue that Froch was a top, prime win. I said that Andre doesn't have to travel to Europe for rematches. Andre has nothing to prove. He won the Super Six and is considered one of the best. It's not a ridiculous sentence. The fact that it was a LHW fight is completely irrelevant. The fight was to raise Joe's U.S. profile because he hadn't gone over sooner. Look into it. It doesn't matter about the crowd size. Why do you think the World's biggest fights happen in Vegas in front of around only 16,000 people? Joe vs Kessler was fought in front of 50,000 people. In the same year, Oscar fought Floyd in front of 16,000. Yet it was the biggest grossing fight of all time. Of course the K Bros needed America earlier on in their careers. They don't now, because the HW landscape has changed, and they have the titles. Joe NEEDED America to have bigger fights, and that's why he signed with Showtime, and Frank had him fight the likes of Manfredo. Joe himself said he needed to go to America for recognition in 2004. Everybody has different circumstances, but I'm referring to the top fighters. Yes, Joe had different circumstances, and that's exactly why he travelled and Andre hasn't. Again, America is home to the majority of the world's best fighters. The biggest promoters and networks are also based in America. The majority of the biggest fights happen in Vegas. A top, U.S./U.S. based fighter, very rarely has to travel. But a top, non U.S. based fighter, has to travel to America at some point, to progress their careers. GGG and Kov have recently moved there. Martinez and Manny live there etc. There's countless examples to give.
I'm surprised some people still don't understand it. In short, it's hard to be a world class fighter when the majority of world class fighters fight in America, and you don't. It limits opportunities. The Klits are a different thing altogether. They did fight in America when the circumstances weren't so favorable to them. But now they aren't beholden to anyone. They do their own promotions, and are no longer looking for recognition. They have a bunch titles, and if someone wants a shot, they have to come and get them.
Calzaghe was locked into a contract with Mickey Duff (RIP) for his first 20 odd fights. Duff liked to do things the old-fashioned way and he had a ''tier system'' for the fighters in his stable where he would move them up through the levels. He used to tell Calzaghe that he'd stand other fighters in his promotional stable, like Henry Wharton, on their heads, but that he'd have to wait in line behind them for his shot. Calzaghe knew he was ready to be moved much faster than that. I remember reading an interview with Duff where he said Joe was adamant he was ready for the world level and he pleaded with him to get him shots at Eubank, Benn, Collins when Joe had just won his British SMW title, but Duff insisted on holding him back and wasn't getting him the opportunities and exposure Joe felt his talent and amateur accomplishments warranted, or the financial reward either, and that's why he left him and signed with Fish eyes. Warr-en got him a shot at Steve Collins within a few fights, although obviously Collins pulled out and Eubank stepped in. Here's another one where he touches on some of those things. "I admired Joe's confidence and ambition, but didn't think he was ready to progress as quickly as he wanted to. Joe told me to get him championship fights as soon as possible and in return I told him to calm down and be sensible. The first fight I got him was on the undercard for the Frank Bruno v Lennox Lewis fight in 1993 against Paul Hanlon and he did really well, much better than I expected. He was named Young Boxer of the Year by the British Boxing Writers' Association but that didn't seem enough and he wanted bigger and bigger fights all the time. I didn't think he was ready and actually thought it was a little disrespectful to the other fighters around at the time for this new kid on the block to think he could beat whoever was out there. To be honest, it was no surprise when Joe signed for Frank ****** - I knew he'd been sniffing around for a while. I'd done my best for Joe but it wasn't enough for him and considering he beat Chris Eubank soon after, he will say it was the right decision to move on when he did. But I would have got Joe that fight eventually." --Mickey Duff [yt]D7IBontRTL8[/yt] Duff or his business parter Terry Lawless actually tried to stop the Eubank fight from happening. [yt]7ON3rjL4638[/yt] Andre Ward was an Olympic gold medalist and was lucky enough to be born in the Mecca of boxing, whereas Cazaghe was robbed of his opportunity to go to the Olympics twice, the first of which when he lost a highly controversial decision in the European Junior championships in 1990 to the fighter that subsequently went on to win the gold medal (he would've automatically booked his place had he just made it the to the quarter finals or semis IIRC). He was then ****ed over by the Welsh selection committee, when they chose to send a fighter named Matthew Turner instead of him. Turner was infinitely less decorated and worthy of his place and stood zero chance of coming back with a medal. Ward was also incredibly fortuitous to garner a place in a tournament he had absolutely no right in being in simply because he had the right passport, connections, and that Olympic medal. [yt]m7f07zSvyjM[/yt]
Joe had every chance of selection for the Olympics, being from Wales with its much lower population competing for places on teams. But he simply wasn't good enough with even those odds supporting him, face it. Ward by comparison was up against it, facing up with massive American scene amateur competition, and still made it through to the ultimate amateur standard. that said JC was still very good at being a volume stamina freak with a good chin. that alone isn't enough to win an Olympic medal, I'm afraid, you need skills and accuracy too.
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this is a boxing forum, please stick to the topic. good to see you are learning the staffnames in your psyche ward though.
"He only beat OLD men!" One of those "Old" men turned out not to be quite over the hill yet didn't he?