Joe Choynski - P4P Where Does...

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  1. Russell

    Russell Loyal Member Full Member

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    Joe end up?

    Choynski's more or less never mentioned in P4P discussions, if he's brought up at all.

    I don't expect to see him on a top 15-20 list... But what's the highest anyone here ranks him in a P4P sense?

    Multiple wins over the poor mans Bob Fitzsimmons, Peter Maher. Including stopping him in two.

    At the very end of his career fought a draw with the very underrated Marvin Hart.

    Drew against Jim Jeffries despite a more than 60 pound weight advantage for Jeffries.

    Drew with Fitzsimmons.

    Sparked Jack Johnson in three rounds.

    Considering he was a middleweight you figure showings like that (Where he was often flat out screwed) would skyrocket him up in a P4P sense.

    Thoughts?
     
  2. Loewe

    Loewe internet hero Full Member

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    Well, he was defintily a great fighter but I only have a top25 atg list and I don´t intend to extend it any further so he isn´t on it. Definitly a very good fighter with huge power p4p wise but he just fell a bit short to the other greats in his time.

    btw. is there a book on him? Would be quite interesting considering he fought about everybody with a name during his time.
     
  3. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    Fast agile with great power ,especially considering his lack of size ,but he was not over durable and could be stopped .I think he falls just short of the top p4p due to this,but lets remember he was a super middle and lLH competing against Heavyweights and often conceding huge amounts of weight,reach and height,an immortal but not on my top p4p list.
     
  4. Loewe

    Loewe internet hero Full Member

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    So who did cut off his head? Or is he still alive?









    There can be only one!
     
  5. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    Are you German ? That would account for your sense of humour,or lack of it.




    Choynsky is alive and well ,and works out regularly at the San Francisco Athletic Club ,he is 2 months short of his 140th birthday,and can be contacted on WWW.Choynsky /Chrysanthemum Joe //.com
     
  6. Minotauro

    Minotauro Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Joe Choynski is an ATG and one of the hardest p4p hitters ever I know Corbett, Jeffries and Johnson all said he was the hardest hitter they faced. I have only done a top 25 and he was not in it. But a lot of people including myself had him in the 20 greatest pre WW1 fighters on a thread a little while back.

    Here is some great info on him its 10 pages and pretty much includes everything about him.
    http://boxingbiographies.com/bio/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=53&Itemid=27
     
  7. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo VIP Member Full Member

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    Most of those fights you listed don't count for much though. Jack Johnson was 4-1-2 when Chonynski beat him. Jeffries was a 4-0 novice as well. Hart was respectable, but nothing special.. The Fitzsimmons draw occurred after only 5 rounds of action, and was partially the result of a police intervention.These fights do not earn him much in the way of p4p status in my honest opinion.
     
  8. Loewe

    Loewe internet hero Full Member

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    I´m not a German, I am a Bavarian. You aren´t calling a Scot English, do you?

    But Germans have a great sense of humour, history proves it.
     
  9. guilalah

    guilalah Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Choyinski seems to have fought or sparred or exhibited with damn near everyone, and was fairly fond (to judge from apollack's tomes) of offering his opinions on their merits.
    A person looking for matter for an interesting article might do worse than making a collection of Choyinski's opinions regarding the Golden Age heavyweights.
     
  10. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    I would call it an invasive sense of humour.
     
  11. mattdonnellon

    mattdonnellon Boxing Junkie Full Member

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  12. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    I have one interesting article in which Choynski defends Wyatt Erps decision to DQ Fitzsimmons against Sharkey and says that having fought them both he felt that Sharkey was the cleaner fighter of the two.