Joe Choynski VS Stanley Ketchel

What makes you think choynski could box? He looked crude to me. Also what makes you think a glass jaw like JC's could take a ketchel punch?

How would you know he was wide open for counters?

2ndly, what top fighter ever capitlized on this "flaw" that was close to stanleys weight?

3rdly, werent fighters so busy trying to defend stanleys atack they had no time to counter stanley?


I think Choynskis glass jaw is a MUCH BIGGER flaw in this type of matchup. stanley WILL connect on choynski, and thats all she wrote

 

I am sickened by the lack of stanley ketchel fans now a days on ESB. All the old timer fans on ESB have a huge woody when it comes to fitzsimmons, greb, sharkey, langford, jeffries, and choynski...it sickens me they dont like stanley. Go over to Cyberboxing, the old timer fans regard stanley very highly and give him his due respect. Mike Casey a famous historian of cyberboxing said stanley ketchel vs harry greb would be a toss up. I am not a big old timers fan, and I strongly hold against the white fighters who drew the color line. But Stanley was one of the few in my opinion who could have fought and succeeded in more modernly developed times.

 

Who said Joe Choyinski had a glass jaw? J.C. was not a big man; he was more so a light-heavyweight of 172 to 176 pounds..... I'm sure that weight drifted from time-to-time....... BUT! He has a KO over a "Green" Jack Johnson and several other greats from the past..........

I've seen enough of "Ketchel vs. Johnson," as I have that chopped-up fight on tape....... I also know Ketchel was not a stylist; he was a brawler / mauler....

In terms of great 160 lb. champions from 1887 to 2009, I think rugged ex-champs like "Ketchel & Greb" would be throughly out-boxed by technicians like "Ray Robinson, Carlos Monzon, Marvin Hagler, James Toney, Roy Jones & B-Hops" in a time machine.....

I think Ketchel and Greb fare better with other champs like "Walker, Zale, Graziano, Cerdan, LaMotta, Bo Bo, Pender, Rodrigo Valdez & Kelly Pavlik."

MR.BILL

 

cheers for that Suzy good post

I like Ketchel but i honestly dont see hm being effective at the top level fighting other great MWs using 'modern' rules. But his natural gifts take him quite far

 

One thing puzzles me about Ketchel, if he could hit as hard and was as ferocious as some claim, how come many good but maybe not great, fighters lasted the distance OR into later rounds with him? Not to dispute that he was a good puncher, he obviously was.
Also someone claimed Fitz handled Choynski with ease, in fact he was practically ko'ed himself early in that fight.

 

While Choynski's chin might not have been the best it was far from being glass.

In his prime he was only getting stopped by the elite punchers of the era and generaly at heavyweight.

Hard to say how the fight would go.

Ketchel winning by stopege is certainly a distinnct posibility but I think that Choynski was the better boxer and the better finisher of the two.

 

A bit off topic but how many fights does Choynsky have on film?
How about Ketchel?