Joe Fraizer stops 243 Lb Buster Mathis in 11 rounds

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  1. Yaiyr Alexander

    Yaiyr Alexander Member banned Full Member

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    Yeah but the rematch was a draw i just used that as styles make fights. Linear logic did apply there
     
  2. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    It's not a bad example. Spinks won two fights against Holmes. Holmes beat Cooney. Spinks beat Cooney.

    Just because you don't agree with one of the decisions doesn't mean anything. (LOL)
     
  3. Yaiyr Alexander

    Yaiyr Alexander Member banned Full Member

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    Google it and it showed wilder as the favorite.

    And whyte loosing to povetkin wasnt a linear logic opposition argument it just showed that more upsets happen then you think because you claimed upsets happen due to the fact that that you think linear logic is at play when not all upsets are hand and hand with linear logic.
     
  4. Yaiyr Alexander

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    Lol but then people are quick to say fury wilder 1 was a robbery. But since the judges made the decision so wilder and fury tied point blank right period right ?
     
  5. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    So, you posted a fight that had nothing to do with linear logic to say linear logic doesn't work? (LOL)

    Got it.
     
  6. Yaiyr Alexander

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    No you just claimed upsets happen because linear logic predicts a fighter to win over another. But the whyte example as an upset wasn't linear logic
     
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  7. Dubblechin

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    Linear logic works the vast majority of the time, that's why people fall back on it.

    That's all I'm saying.

    People who insist linear logic doesn't work in boxing ignore 90 percent of the time it does and focus on the outliers.
     
  8. Yaiyr Alexander

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    I never said it doesn't. It clearly does work just not always.
     
  9. Dubblechin

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    LOL. Nobody said it did. I just said it does more often than not.
     
  10. Yaiyr Alexander

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    i never said it doesnt work more often than not but you quoted me and acted like i said it doesn't work. I said it does work just not always
     
  11. DoubleJab666

    DoubleJab666 Dot, dot, dot... Full Member

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    Those colour cameras must have been very expensive....
     
  12. Dubblechin

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    Yeah, that was one of the only times I can recall they used a color camera for one angle and black & white for another. (LOL)
     
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  13. Flash24

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    Good stuff. Haven't seen this fight in years. Watching it again, some observations.
    1st, Mathis for such a big man was extremely light on his feet, unlike the world class heavyweights of the last 10-15 yrs, who are so stiff in their movements, robotic like. Also his endurance was excellent, 11rds of bouncing on his toes, and Frazier hammering his body before he finally fell. I wonder if the overly muscled boxers today could keep such a pace under that type of brutality to the body.
    No, probably not.
    #2, Frazier weighed 205lbs to Mathis 243, a 38lb difference yet Frazier manhandled him on the inside, so much for bigger and heavier automatically means stronger, it should make some of the "size kings" step back and think just a little. How leverage and know how , can alleviate bigger muscles in the boxing ring.
    #3 Just how powerful Frazier was with his right hand. Right before the ko, Frazier landed a right to Mathis body, a short shot, perhaps traveled a foot or so. Either the punch lifted him up, or, it hurt Mathis so bad, he jumped.
    But its plainly obvious Frazier was more dynamic with his right hand than given credit for.
    Sort of like B.Foster was, all his spectacular ko's came off the left hook, but if you fell asleep on his right hand, he could put his opponents to sleep, or seriously hurt them .
     
  14. ETM

    ETM I thought I did enough to win. Full Member

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    Joe had nothing to do with it. He had a job to do. He did it very well.
     
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  15. ETM

    ETM I thought I did enough to win. Full Member

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    I think Mathis was a forerunner to the talented yet underachieving heavyweights of the 80s Tyson feasted on. Very skilled with good coordination and reflexes for a man that big. Lacked discipline.
    I laugh when detractors of Frazier post that he had trouble with Bus. Joe was having a ball in there. Revenge best served cold.
     
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