Joe Fraizer vs Rocky Marciano

Whatever the result,and I think it is almost a 50/50 fight. Marciano is not breaking Frazier's will!

Yes he did ,he ruined a lot of fighters,C*ckell,Mathews,Layne,Vingo,Walcott ,Lastarza.To name some of them.

 

I see it as Frazier's greater speed against Marciano's two handed power.I've always leaned towards the two handed power ,but not with any great conviction.

 

Frazier had an extremely effective right hand to the body and uppercut.

But he was just so much better balanced and faster. I see him shipping too much damage too fast for Marciano to catch up before his face falls off.

 

As I said, almost 50/50 .I would not be surprised either way,but I would want to be there!

 

You've really been overusing the term "strawman" (hint: it doesn't apply every time you feel someone has mischaracterized one of your comments). But fair enough. You are right that it is possible to win a boxing match with a broken face. It stands to reason though that it would be much harder to do against a prime, relentless, powerful ATG heavyweight than against an aging blown-up light heavy who has lost 3 of his last 5 fights. Do you agree?

 

What are you talking about? I have used it 1 time in this thread. Strawman is when you make up my argument and defeat just to avoid my real argument.

All I was claiming is it is possible to win a fight with a broken face. Regardless of who it is against. Having a broken face doesn't make you the loser.

Not having the will to win will make you the loser. Especially against Rocky Marciano.

 

Marciano had that ultra low crouch that would better able avoid the Frazier hook. Marcianos right beats Joes hook to the punch for the KO win. Round 8.

 

Are you suggesting that Frazier lacked the will to win? If so, what in the world are you basing that on? You never answered my question about whether you agreed with the distinction I drew between Prime Frazier and Charles of the second Marciano fight.

I've seen you misuse the term in a number of threads this year. I didn't distort or weaken your position in order to defeat it; I just should have been more precise with my language. Your post begged the comparison but it didn't actually make one directly. My statement that it did was not a "strawman."

 

Because Frazier wasn't good at punching low? And Marciano beats him to the punch now? As far as predictions go, that might actually be a first!

 

Marciano is too dynamic for Frazier. Has more tools, more weapons, and more options.

Rocky KO 10

 

No, I am saying that Marciano would break his will.

I agree that Frazier and Charles aren't the same but I disagree on your negative description of Charles. Charles hadn't made the Light Heavyweight limit in 6 years prior to the first Marciano fight. The term blown up is typically used for fighters who recently moved up like Kell Brook. He was a blown up welterweight against GGG.

I have never misused the term. I just call you out on it when you do it and you seem to not like that so you try making **** up like right now in an attempt to portray me as something I am not to the other readers/posters.

You did distort my position. You tried to portray things as I thought because Marciano beat Charles that means he can beat Frazier.

My post didn't beg any comparisons. I made the claim that Marciano would break Frazier's will and you made the claim that Frazier would break Marciano's face as if that trumps what I said. I responded by saying that a fight can still be won with a broken face and cited the 2nd Charles fight as my source. You in turn responded with "You're comparing a prime ATG heavyweight to an aging blown-up light heavy who'd lost three of his last five fights." even though I didn't claim that once anywhere.

 

The type of athlete required to beat Frazier anywhere near his prime was an Ali or a Foreman. And really Foreman was the only fighter to enforce his will on Joe. Ali squeaked by in his two victories. I am sure some of you are going to draw comparisons between Foreman and Marciano and how they are equivalent... Let me go get a drink while you do that. It helps to parch the thirst created by a hearty guffaw.

 

Silly. Frazier was what the boxing community calls a one handed fighter. Great fighters exploit major defects. Joe was great but at a high level his overuse of his hook and lack of coordination on his right side would make things difficult for him.