Joe Frazier 100 yard dash, weightlifting, swimming competition video.

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No you are the clueless one. I live in the States and the problem is there are not enough competent Boxing teachers left. It has NOTHING to do with anything this whole NFL argument is ridiculous. It is an excuse some people use. Nothing more.

 

True I didn't see the location there. You're right about the lack of good teachers, but that's a worldwide problem. A lot of ex-champions don't really care much about giving back to the boxing community. If you don't think that increased attention on other sports, subsidies and facilities for training othe sports, and a cultural shift away from boxing has nothing to do with the effect on our fighter output then you're either blind or acting ignorant.

Also our new generation is pretty lazy and wants the easy way out of everything, tons of prospects here get overpaid and overinflated egos too early and give up working and being hungry.

 

I live in the South which is home to the best football players. And yes I agree about laziness and we are now a nation of fat slobs. I think 2 in 5 kids are now clinically obese. I would agree that that has a lot to do with it also. :good

 

You gotta admit that culture has a bit to do with it too. Once in a while I ask some of my buds on the football team if they want to spar or something for a couple rounds, and they'll be like "boxing? I dont wanna get brain damaged man!".

and then proceed to play a sport where you run into someone head first with your entire body weight behind it

 

This is why we need to give different athletes their props for excelling at their perspective sports. The guy that outlifted Frazier did so more on superior technique than anything, I doubt he weighed any more than 180-185 lbs to Frazier being a solid 205-215lbs. If Frazier properly utilized those thick legs of his and his core he would have easily got up the 170 lbs.(he almost completely used just his arms) His strength in the ring came from his legs and core pushing opponents into the ropes and pinning them there unleash inside punishment. He also by nature did not start real fast in his fights so the nature of a sprint or quick swim goes against his long haul type grind it out nature.

So many athletes can move and punch like a fighter. That all changes once they start getting hit, getting excited,and needing to remain composed to maintain technique,breathing, and respond accordingly to what's happening in the ring. There are no timeouts and wanting to stop on your own during any round means the fight is over. Jose Conseco and Tonya Harding showed what happens when EVERY athlete thinks they can box just because they're an athlete. They find out the hard way that it's lonely, chaotic,and painful in there inside the ropes. Just because you're a certain size, can run fast, move alot of weight, or have stamina in anything else other than an actual fight, does not necessarily mean you will make a good fighter. It's more mental than anything.

 

This is vid is taken in the early 70s no secret there, but boxer back in those days did everything old fashion, they trained for endurance and punishment .. Unlike the fighter of today which are subject to cross training, and other training methods to improve athleticism and well rounded conditioning.

I would expect todays boxer to do allot better in events like these. boxer in the 70 never even touched weights let alone did swimming to improve endurance.

 

You have yet to prove that that's the skill set that would dominate in boxing. But boxing is a very special talent that very few possess. Muhammad Ali MIGHT have been a great college cornerback, but we don't really know if he was fast enough a runner. They are separate sports. His chin, coordination/reaction time in close proximity, ability to time his hands, determination, strategic mind, and stamina might have helped him in other sports, but we know these skills are absolutely VITAL in boxing and there's no guarantee the NFL players skills include these special skills. Willie Pep might have made a better dancer than hockey goalie. Footwork.

I agree that the talent pool for boxing gets smaller though in the US, but mostly because the poverty level has decreased. Millions more poor people will result in more people trying boxing out of desperation. But the ones of these who are no longer supplying the boxing talent pool may not be succeeding at all in other sports. And may in fact be filling the roles of CPAs and bankers. So while guys who could have grown up to be great boxers might be out there, there's no reason to believe they are in the NFL. As for the NBA, too tall for the most part. Remember when Wilt (one of the greatest athletes that ever lived) was thinking about challenging Ali? Does anyone think he would have had a chance?

 

a lot of boxers stick to running 6+ miles a day, but some of them also run sprints like Pacquiao and Holyfield

 

The NFL has become the most pouplar sport in american just recently. Boxing used to be the most popular with baseball and horse racing

 

So why do people say that all the great black athletes are in the NFL now and that's the reason American Black Heavyweights have gone to ****?

What you said is exactly true though, black Americans used to be the baddest dudes on earth. Now they have gone soft and that's the real reason they ain't dominating like in the past, no reason for people to get butt hurt about it. It's a lot easier to aspire to be a rapper then aspire to get your face beat in for a living.

 

That was like 80 years ago.

 

and that's why the competition was better back then :good

 

I think we can say that Fraizer was strong but slow.

 

The coming generation of American athletes will dominate sumo wrestling it seems

 

I'm pretty sure Lennox and wlad would annihilated in some of these tests. Being a good or even great athlete is one thing but being able to actually fight is another. Some of those you have in the NFL would destroy guys like Tyson or Holyfield in set tests of athleticism.