Joe Frazier 1971 vs Evander Holyfield 1991

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  1. mike foreman

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    I'd say a 1991 Holyfields lateral movement was better than a 71 Ali's lateral movement or at least what he exhibited when he fought Frazier. Ali stood very flatfooted when he fought Frazier
     
  2. jyeahfosho

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    possibly so. after exile ali was more flatfooted. but i think smokin joe would bring it more than holy would bring it to joe.
     
  3. mike foreman

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    They wouldnt have to go far to find each other thats for sure
     
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  4. BCS8

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    Holyfield has all the tools to beat Frazier. He ought to have beaten Bowe every time too. But Holyfield, bless him, could never resist a punch up.

    Going to war with Frazier would imho see him lose.

    This might come down to Holyfield's corner. If they impress upon him the need to box technically from the outside, he'd probably run away with a points win or possibly even late stoppage.

    But as I'm writing this I can see in my mind's eye Holy's corner in his fight against Czyz. "Stop loading up! What you loading up for?" and Holyfield "I know, I know." ... and the next round he went out and did the very same thing :lol:
     
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    Sometimes the funny thing about boxing is that the fighter with all the advantages on paper who ought to win by all rights sometimes loses.
     
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  6. Birmingham

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    Holyfield is top of the food chain. He stands shoulder to shoulder with everyone ever, because hes an atg. Hes that level and probably more
     
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  7. mike foreman

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    Even if you dont favor him one must admit that Holyfield could have a chance to beat any cruiser or heavyweight you want to name. At least any we've seen so far.
     
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  8. Birmingham

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    Yep. If he fought in the 70's he would be the most complete fighter out of all of them imo, ali, frazier foreman Norton and the rest. Not saying he wins/beats all of them, but he has all the ingredients too without a doubt ! Anyone that knows their boxing can see this blatantly
     
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    I can half understand his performance v czyz really. He wanted to blast away the smaller more inferior fighter and wouldn't relax and let it flow naturally
     
  10. ETM

    ETM I thought I did enough to win. Full Member

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    Plenty of action in this one. Joe Frazier by either late stoppage or decision. Both guys would take some damage. Holyfield would simply let Joe get inside and stay inside. Evander could handle himself in there but being on the inside with a prime Joe Frazier is bad for business and bad for your health. Joe wears him down.
     
  11. Reinhardt

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    Geez! are you serious? he had a 42 year old man reeling after nailing him 72 times with no effect.
     
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  12. mike foreman

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    42 year old Foreman likely wouldnt be dropped in a single punch by Bonavena like 20 something Frazier was either.

    Plus a 42 year old Foreman likely had more raw power than his 25 year old self . If you look at powerlifting records, they usually are at their biggest and strongest mid 30s to early 40s. Thats why they call it old man strength.

    Foremans speed and explosiveness may have suffered with age but its quite realistic that his power and durability increased.
     
  13. Reinhardt

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    Really? every time Ali took a breath in that fight he inhaled Frazier! Smokin Joe would be on Evanders grill like car wax, Holyfield would have no choice but to engage to get Joe off him, and he doesn't have the power to hurt Joe consistently. Frazier by knockout inside 10
     
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  14. Reinhardt

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    That's ridiculous, you are comparing powerlifting to boxing? You are saying George was better at 42 than 25? George won the title at 46 because the level of heavyweight talent had dropped!!
     
  15. mike foreman

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    No I said men can get physically stronger as they get older....up to a point. No you're not getting stronger at 75, but in real life mid 30s is not old. And I think it was the case with Foreman that he waa bigger and stronger at an older age. Obviously other qualities suffered like speed and explosiveness. Was Foreman better in the 90s? In some ways yes in other ways no.

    And how had the talent level dropped by the 90s? Besides Ali, who in the 70s was just soooo much better than Lewis, Tyson, Holyfield or Bowe? Not to mention Mercer,Moorer, Bruno or Golota?

    Norton, Quarry and Bonavena??? Yep. They would make the above named look like 5 year olds fighting their dads.