Joe Frazier 1976 v Dwight Qawi 1988

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  1. Stevie G

    Stevie G Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    The over the hill post Manilla Frazier who lost to George Foreman in their second fight,against the Qawi who lost to George when he was on the 1988 comeback trail. I've had it pointed out to me that Frazier and Qawi were quite similar at this respective point in their careers. I go along with that.
     
  2. Boxed Ears

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    Sounds pretty sadistic, brother. :lol:
     
  3. Stevie G

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    Quite competitive though...?
     
  4. Foreman Hook

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    V.Sadistic And V.Competitive IMO. :!:

    Frazier was over-teh-hell And past-Prime, Qawi was past his Best-weight And Past-prime, BUT both were still v.good And dangerous fighters, who would of Beat a lot of good Contenders on teh night they lost to Big George And Bigger Old George.

    This fight a 50//50 BLOODBATH Slug-Fest of 2 tough-as-nails Swarmer Warriors And teh fight would be BRUTAL as they traded Haymakers to head'n'body up-close And personal. :!:


    Foreman Hoooooooook! :hat
     
  5. The Mongoose

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    I agree. At 35 years of age, the 5'5" 222 lbs Qawi was clearly at his best against old Foreman. Heayvweight H2H he might be one of the best period. He would make quick work of the ***** head version of Frazier.
     
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    1976 Frazier picture - after he landed a HUGE-Haymaker left Hook on Foreman's Iron Cheen.
     
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  8. The Mongoose

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    You think that ***** with ears would even stand a punchers against 222 lbs of Qwai. I would go so far as to say at Heavyweight, 88 Qwai would be too much for 91 Holyfield.
     
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    1996 Tyson picture - after he landed a HUGE-John. Well, not really. Eddie Murphy. Huge in name.

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  10. Foreman Hook

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    Tyson was ripped-as-**** in 1996 - that pic is 2004 Tyson. :thumbsup
     
  11. Boxed Ears

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    He was "ripped-as-****" by Eddie too. Afterward, Eddie crooned the classic number "Whatzupwitu" to Mike.

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xXAGdigL-AQ[/ame]
     
  12. The Mongoose

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    :rofl
     
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    This... this might be the best thing I've ever seen.
     
  14. Duodenum

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    Johnny Davis was the first to actually defeat Qawi, and a big left hook was the specific key punch which backed him up in the early going of their second bout. Ike returned the favor when Johnny ran out of gas. Smoke wouldn't be running out of gas.

    Ike wasn't a true natural infighter, but somebody who had to learn those skills according to his legendary handlers, manager Wesley Mouzon and trainer Quenzell McCall. Qawi was actually an aggressive counter puncher, the best counter jabber of his generation. As soon as an opponent jabbed, he'd blunt the attempt with his own depleting counter jab. Joe wouldn't give him that to work off of.

    Frazier was an authentic heavyweight from the beginning of his amateur career. No championship caliber heavyweight could physically cope with Foreman's physical strength aside from Ali in Kinshasa, but Frazier could and did manage the physical strength of Ali, Jerry Quarry and the weight trained Cummings. In this pairing, the greater natural size and physical strength of Joe, combined with that boring hook to the body would drive Ike back, and Smoke would be able to sustain that attack until the final bell. (Even in 1980, Joe won round nine against Cummings. He didn't gas, even when about to turn 38, and his skills, speed and energy remained good.)

    Smoke didn't like dealing with shorter opponents, especially shorter than himself, yet he actually did succeed at beating the shorter (and bull strong) Bonavena 2X, Scrap Iron (who put Liston on the back foot, a surreal sight), Ziggy and Stander. There were other opponents of similar stature who he coped with, like Machen, Jones and JQ. He, Durham and Futch would leave his underrated jab at home for this one, giving Ike that much less to counter off of.

    Don't forget that Qawi was counted out on his face in the 1987 Holyfield rematch, then turned his back and threw up his hands in quitting against Foreman. Joe never quit, never came close to getting counted out. Too much heart and hustle for Qawi to prevail. Smoke would have the hook to the body, persistence, physical strength and stamina to drive Qawi back for as long as it lasted.

    1976 Frazier UD 1988 Qawi
     
  15. The Mongoose

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    You failed to mention how much of a p4p strength advantage Qawi would have. At 5'5 222 lbs...his power would be second to none. If he was as tall as Frazier, he would be 350 lbs of muscle!!! Peak old Foreman slayed a true giant in 88. Fraizer hated punchers, he ducked Liston, Foster, Lyle, Norton, and Shavers. Word.