Joe Frazier and the sympathy crew

To be honest, you won't find much argument from me on this matter.

 

I thought Joe was quite " busy " on the Philadelphia charity scene, getting himself involved in projects for underprivileged kids.

I also think its a bit naive to say he didn't know what an " Uncle Tom " was.

Furthermore its pretty obvious he wasn't as articulate as Ali, hence the holding of the grudge.

 

PURE CRAP AND BULL**** REVISIONIST GARBAGE. Obviously you are an Ali fan who can't take the truth about your fighter. You hated the Manilla special and feel the need to cry out. And btw, your professor is full of ****. How does "getting" to someone make his legacy greater? So, if a school bully "gets" to you by demeaning and calling you names, that makes the bully greater? That is sooo f8734765g stupid. Being from Philly and there in the gyms, I know you are wrong. Another Ali lover who wants no bad words about a guy that did all bad words to others. Aliappoligizer

 

I always love it when someone says, "I have the utmost respect for..." and then proceed to verbally slaughter w/ lies and false allegations and madeup crap to prove their point.

 

Yellowmustard is a stain on the shirt of this forum.

More than a little harsh and biased.

 

Right up there with "With all due respect but.." and "Take this in the manner intended"...

 

I do like that phrase, though.........."A stain on the shirt of this forum."

 

I will only attempt to address these matters.

First, "Uncle Tom" was widely used back then by the Black Power movement. It was also referenced by advocates for other minority groups. As an advocate for Hispanic causes, I recall using that term for what I and others perceived to be Hispanic apologists and defenders of racism. We also used the term "gusano" (worm) because it is a brown skinned creeper with its nose to the ground and night soil.

Thus, everybody knew that term.


Second, Smokin Joe could talk a good fight and back it up with his fists.

Third, Frazier was widely interviewed on TV and in Playboy magazine. He was as well spoken as any boxer or athlete in his era. But he spoke with a deep Southern accent which is natural considering that he was from rural South Carolina. By contrast, Ali was from an urban area (Louisville, Ky) and did not have a rural accent.

Fourth, Frazier did charitable work:

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He did not make as much money as did Ali and was not in any position to give as much money to charity as he did. But that does not mean he was uncharitable. If I recall correctly, he contributed much to sickle cell anemia research as that was a cause that was well known as the time. Sadly, he made a few bad investments in land that did not pan out and these resulted in huge financial losses.

Frazier may have had his shortcomings as so many other sports legends. But he was highly respected as a person. In fact when Ali was diagnosed with the illness, Frazier was quoted as having said "I forgive him" for the abuse Ali used on him.


Thus, I find that much of what you have written is groundless.

 

Yeah, I guess it's better than, "A stain on the sheet of this forum," or, "Lipstick on the collar of this forum," or, "Lipstick on the dipstick of this forum."

 

It's better at least inasmuch as those others imply at the very least some kind of illicit pleasure that caused the stain.

 

I think that most black people growing up in fifties,sixties and seventies America were all too aware of what the expression "Uncle Tom" meant.


Both Ali and Frazier had their flaws like anyone else.

 

if i was in joe's shoes i'd have held the same grudge against ali tbh