Joe Frazier As A Contender In The 50's?

Mcvey mentioned the 50s then left out some of its biggest names like Sonny Liston Floyd Patterson Archie Moore Harold Johnson Eddie machen Nino valdes Cleveland Williams ????

What's up with that? You named a lot of mediocre fringe contenders of the 50s instead of the best ones

 

Frazier would definitley have been champ in the 50's and cleaned out the division.

 

Over Marciano and a 1958-59 Liston?

 

You're totally on the money. :good

 

How could Walcott possibly be overrated? He nearly dethroned Louis in 47 and was 3 rounds away from beating a prime Rocky Marciano

 

"so Frazier loses to 3 of them, maybe 4"


:rofl:rofl:rofl

 

He might lose to Marciano and Liston

 

If you go back to the thistle's post, it looks like he favors Walcott and Charles over Frazier.

Frazier hunts down Charles and Walcott, breaks them down, and takes them out.

He destroys every fighter Rocky fought. (at the time of their careers when they fought Rocky)

And he beats Rocky.

 

Joe better hope the rest of the fights happen before Rocky, because his prime is over once he faces Marciano regardless of outcome. If he manages the W, it would be a Pyrrhic victory.

 

Frazier wpuld beat them all except I would only favor him by a reasonable margin against Marciano. Due to speed & accuracy advantages.

He would lose to late 50's slugger Liston.

Even if he fought Rocky early, i do not see it ruining him.
Being in his 30's would be different, but we are considering each foghter in their prime.

Walcott did not beat a quite prime Marciano.
The axiom that all fighters get 50% better after their championship fight applies here. Rocky did not have his top crouching form then or best defence.

Also Louis was not prime in 1947.

No purely boxer type, at least without a significant size advantage over Frazier, is going to beat him.
Even Louis as a boxer-slugger, & the best one...

Could fall to prime Frazier, as he could to prime Rocky.

Could not necessarily would.

A prime Charles, Walcott, Moore..

Great boxers but not that large...

Are unlikely to beat Frazier.
Let alove 50's versions.

 

Frazier could beat anyone on the list, But he would not beat them all.

Joe drops 2 to the above listed.

Again, he could beat anyone on any given night, but HE would not go 49-0, nor would he win every fight against that solid group of Champions and Contenders.

 

YES the BOXERS, and I am thinking Peak for Peak here, sorry I didn't focus on the prescribed timeline of the 50s...

YES a Peak, LOUIS, JJW and CHARLES.

and why wouldn't a peak Rocky 'maybe' take a verdict, why not, it would have been a helluva fight.

 

No rational person argues that the 47 Louis was past his best and unmotivated for the first Walcott fight. Walcott was just as old but far hungrier and more motivated. He then was flattened in the rematch by a more focused but still semi shot Louis. Both men were only older and more watered down by the time they fought Marciano years later.