Joe Frazier Circ 1973V Razor Ruddock?

You think...man how Tyson chin is better?He eas stopped 5 times by no punchers and Frazier was stopped twice by the hardest puncher then how Tyson had better chin?
Tyson power is maybe a bit better than Frazier but skill?Frazier bob and weave cpuld last 15 rounds while Tyson could only do that for 5,6 rounds then stamina would kill him!
Frazier is better in everyhing than Tyson except power!

 

and speed. You know Serbian, I had you written off as a psycho, but I'm starting to like you for ur stance on this debate.

 

Tyson: hand speed, foot speed, counter punching, combinations, power, head movement
Frazier: stamina, chin, heart

wow

 

Tyson: power, handspeed, some footspeed, stamina, bob and weave, good arsenal of punches in either hand
Frazier: power, handspeed, stamina, bob and weaver, durability, accuracy, precision

 

Hand speed=Tyson
Power=50/50 Tyson early had more power Frazier had better power late
Footspeed=Equal
Headmovement=Frazier because he could do that faster for 15 full rounds
Counterpunching=equal
Stamina=Frazier
Heart=Frazier
Chin=Frazier
Workrate=Frazier
Frazier like Holyfield had same advantage amd would win same way

 

Generally agreed. However, I don't think either man was a counterpuncher really. Both were forward-moving men, and didn't know a thing about defense.

 

I really don't know!
Frazier could counterpunch with left while Tyson did that with right!
They both could do that but not very good!

 

Mike Tyson may have even beaten Tuffy Griffiths

 

This is more like it, but both Frazier and Tyson had heart; Mike just didn't have one quite the size of Joe's (but hey, few did besides, Holy, Louis, Holmes, and Ali).

Joe also had a very good right hand (probably on the level of a Norton, who was also no-joke with that punch). It's just that he threw that left SO much. Watch Quarry II to see how killer that right could be.

 

It's hard to tell just how good of a right hand Frazier possesses. When he throws the left, it's easy to say that he has a crumby right. But I've never thought Joe has a significant right hand.

 

I would definitely take another look at Frazier-Quarry II. It wasn't as powerful as Mike's, but it was way better than Cooney's lol. Like I mentioned, about Ken Norton-level.

 

Untrue. Frazier was taller, had a longer reach, superior durability, higher work-rate, better body puncher, better in the inside, better defense (as Tyson all but abandoned his after the first round or 2), etc.

 

I disagree. Look how he destroyed Quarry with his right and cut him to ribbons.

 

I'm proud of you! You make good points in this thread, and are semi-decipherable.

 

Oh ya, didn't he drop Quarry with a right to the body? I recall he did the same to Bugner right?