Joe Frazier cleans up, today!

I vote everyone puts this turd on ignore.

I've completely stopped reading his drivel posts.

Clearly has an agenda and is the most hypocritical ****** I've seen yet on this forum.

I'd take combatesdeboxeo any day over this clown...

 

This word needs to be used more often.

 

Great post. The whole thing about calling other people nutbags when he is literally the biggest dick rider on the site annoys me to no end.

His use of alts is pathetic too....in one thread I caught him replying to his own statements with an alt and referring to his original account as a friend. I genuinely believe this guy is not right in the head.

The fact he is still here bemuses me. I've only ever used one forum before this one, but on there when it became obvious someone was using many alts to try and back themselves up they got banned immediately.

 

Haha I thought the exact same thing. Too bad I didn't say it.

 

:deal a ban is a great idea

 

I'm all for freedom of speech and opposing opinions, even controversial ones... This is something different.

I can't believe people are still responding to him.


The time comes when you have to escort the drunk out the door... :tired

 

Took the advice of others, and made my list. This forum will be much more enjoyable.

 

As opposed to this you mean.........

On February 16, 1970, Frazier faced WBA Champion Jimmy Ellis at Madison Square Garden. Ellis had outpointed Jerry Quarry in the final bout of the WBA elimination tournament for Ali's vacated belt. Frazier had himself declined to participate with the WBA tournament to protest their decision to strip Ali.

When you are in a hole, you ought to consider whether or not it is wise to keep digging.

Boxing politics, has always been, and always will be a problem.

 

Really? I don't think many are to be honest. We know that Elroy goes OTT and insults Joe Frazier and indeed Ali, plus a lot of old timers, but the opinions of old timer defenders can be just as intransigent.

For instance, woe betide anyone who dared to question Joe's mythical status as a wrecking machine by pointing out that he actually only fought 32 men, and in his rematched fights his record stands at W 7, 4 by stoppage, 3 pts. L 4. 3 by stoppage, 1 pts.

Again a great fighter, but elevated to mythical status by his more fanatical supporters.

Obviously Elroy finds this more annoying than the average follower of the sport.

 

It's not even that Foxy.

It's that this individual parrots the exact same thing wherever he goes, and if you consider the large post count in the short time he had been here (under this new guise) and that 99% of his subject material is about one fighter, then that starts to ring alarm bells for me.

He is not here to share thoughts and ideas or to provide a different viewpoint to the status quo as much as he is here to promote an agenda. I was fully prepared to give him the benefit of the doubt and did because I believed him to be a rational human being, if one with completely different viewpoints to the established line of thinking.
However, stumbling onto that thread on that other forum opened my eyes for me.
As far as I'm concerned, he is a CD player stuck on repeat, and has not the slightest interest in anything anyone has to say, or really discussing boxing at all.

 

I fully understand and accept the point you are making fists, but I just can't see that 2 extreme viewpoints help the situation. I rate Joe as a great fighter in his own era, and particularly with somewhat limited assets at his disposal, but it seems that perhaps solely due to Elroys somewhat provocative stance. people are elevating Joe to almost superhuman levels.

I honestly find it very hard to accept that Joe would just walk his way through any era since his own, with the same amount, if not more success, as some are claiming.

Though again, I fully accept it is more than disrespectful to claim he would be little more than a punchbag, in those era's. For sure would go out on his shield in his defeats, and win possibly more than he lost, but there is NO chance of him blasting his way through subsequent era's like he blasted his way through the earlier part of his own career.

 

I fully understand and accept the point you are making fists, but I just can't see that 2 extreme viewpoints help the situation. I rate Joe as a great fighter in his own era, and particularly with somewhat limited assets at his disposal, but it seems that perhaps solely due to Elroys somewhat provocative stance. people are elevating Joe to almost superhuman levels.

I honestly find it very hard to accept that Joe would just walk his way through any era since his own, with the same amount, if not more success, as some are claiming.

Though again, I fully accept it is more than disrespectful to claim he would be little more than a punchbag, in those era's. For sure would go out on his shield in his defeats, and win possibly more than he lost, but there is NO chance of him blasting his way through subsequent era's like he blasted his way through the earlier part of his own career.

Furthermore, I would add, that whilst I can understand some folks claiming that Lennox, and the brothers Klitchko are / were somewhat boring, it doesn't take away from the reality that in their own ways all are / were very efficient. I think the answer is to try to find a way of assessing them fairly, as opposed to saying categorically that fighters from the past with more exciting styles destroy them.

 

Absolutely. I fully understand your position.

Not too long ago we had quite a lengthly thread on Joe's legacy, and I think it was Mcvey who brought to bear some not-too-flattering info on Joe, which was hard to dispute because he backed it up with solid facts and made his argument pretty solid overall.
Coming from a poster like him whom I know is simply posting facts as he sees them, or at worst playing devil's advocate to provide a different viewpoint, is a totally different situation to what Elroy is doing.

Elroy by and large, speaks from a position of almost pure ignorance and also not so much with the intent of forcing us to look at things from a different perspective, but rather to promote a certain Ukrainian at the expense of other fighters.

If someone wants to call Frazier or Ali a punchbag that is fine, so long as that individual is also receptive to counter arguments and has enough contextual and factual knowledge about the fighter he is bashing.
As long as that poster is not tying to promote a clear agenda, then I'm sure anyone here would be willing to at least listen to what that poster has to say.

I certainly agree that we tend to view classic fighters of the past with rose-tinted glasses, and yes, it's likely that like most contemporary fighters, the K bros. get the **** end of the stick too much.

But I've said enough I think. I'm starting to sound like a drama queen now.

 

im not sure wlad would put chisora to sleep, most likely he would hug his way to victory. But Haye is a totally different kind of puncher to wlad.

didn't wlad pull out of a couple of fights hence why chisora spat on his face?
im sure chisora has stated he was being messed about by wlad which is why he did it

 

Chisora battered Vitalis ribcage and leather'd Helenius ,another jab jab straight artist.

Vitali isn't known for having stamina issues , but he was sucking for air badly against Chisora.

Chisora's style and boddy attack would have Wlad suffering exhaustion by the midway point.
Sure Wlad could jump all over him , but whats the accomplishment in that.