Joe Frazier cleans up, today!

Frazier would get his brains beat in by quite a few big, hard-hitting heavyweights. What big heavyweight puncher did Frazier ever beat? The answer is none. The one time he faced one, Foreman bounced him around the ring like a basketball. Frazier wasn't a great athlete and I don't think he had the chin to deal with big HW power punchers.

Anyone who thinks Frazier would clean out the HW division or come close to it should watch the Bugner fight. And don't tell me that Frazier was past it or any of that gibberish. It was the same old Frazier, highly motivated to come back after the Foreman loss. Luckily for Frazier, Bugner was complete trash. Bugner had no punch, no ring IQ, nothing really. And he still gave Frazier hell. Imagine if that had been Tokyo Douglas in there with Frazier - he would have knocked Frazier the f*ck out.

 

By Tokyo Douglas, I don't necessarily mean Douglas himself, but a big guy with that kind of style. Heavy jab, lateral movement, fast powerful combinations, uppercuts. They would find little Joe Frazier's head somewhere in the 15th row.

 

-Both Haye and Wlad pack considerably sharper and more concussive punches than an aging armpunching Vitali with a torn shoulder.

-No, Wlad/Chisora was only scheduled officially in 2011, well before Vitali/Chisora so your claim of Vitali/Chisora scaring Wlad just doesn't add up. Wlad pulled out with injury but was able to resume talks and finally secure the match with Haye everyone wanted for July, in the meantime Chisora took and lost a match to Fury.

-Making a Super Match with the top contender that was said to be the only man with the ability to beat him bar his brother takes priority over a scrapped voluntary defense against a then unknown who was given little chance. It's a bit silly, the potential Wlad/Chisora match in 2011 was being criticized as a cherry pick like the Lepai fight is now while Haye was seen as the most dangerous match up possible for him, but revisionism is now claiming Wlad ducked a killer to fight a guy he matches up better against. You were around in 2011, you know better.

 

No and I don't think he clears too many eras out to be honest.

 

Those four losses were to Ali and Foreman. Chances are, he's not fighting anyone approaching their quality until he hits K2.

 

I know I'm late but this was an excellent post! :happy

(sorry, Ribtickler)

 

I agree.

For the most part pitting old smaller fighters some of whom are ATG's against modern fighters such as Lewis, Bowe etc is not fair. It is essentially matching great Cruiserweights against great Superheavyweights.

 

i agree here