Joe Frazier competes in weight lifting contest

That, too. I also think that the grappling probably built muscle to a greater degree than the generic 1930-1969 cardio regimen. That and the apparent greater willingness to use strength training.

 

My (Journey)Man, you gotta be more precise with your figures!
Lesser posters than you are often called out as fudging the numbers-you likely do not mean to, but you could not dispute that Foreman was never 210-215 in his career.
He was ~ 220 with cutting & dehydration. More or less, what he weighed & what Saddler did is not in dispute.
I recall someone else saying he was 230 as an amateur, & yes he was in the 220's at 19 years old, & lean.

What he weighed as an "old man" does not speak to this.
However, you also have his comeback weight incorrect.
His lightest was 235 against Qawi-& it is well known he said he felt weaker then, & this source even describes him as "thin" then-an overstatement, but an excellent discussion of why he stayed heavy, generally (not counting coming down from 325 at the start of his run) stayed ~ 256-263.

So his whole adult life he easily could make 230 without being overweight-without draining-I recall him at 232 in one 1970's fight, on't know if he ever came in heavier then-& never at all overweight.
[url]https://www.boxingforum24.com/threads/george-foremans-weight-for-the-dwight-qawi-fight.171689/[/url]

Also he likely lost muscle from draining for this fight.
So with it back, he would look leaner at that 235, not 230.

 

Man, Frazier's technique is so horrible...

It shows how little strength really matters in boxing. Even now most HW boxers aren't really strong relative to other athletes.

 

Foreman was flabby at 235lbs as a weight lifter in the juice circus era. As an old man he started hitting the iron. At 240+ he looked doughy. Old yes but irrelevant he was late 30s early 40s not 60. As a 220lbs odd fighter in his prime weighing in clothed an booted up he wasn't dialed in at all he was 15-20% bf he had room to lose. Against Lyle he looked flabby. He'd be a cruiser and Rocky would be 220lbs today...

 

I think AJ would do well in a modern day version of this superstar event.
They should make it, get him and guys like Ronaldo, Lebron and Usain Bolt to participate.

 

Joe Frazier was old school in his training. Yank Durham didn't implement weight or even like it for his boxers. Joe went along with that.
Joe was plenty strong, especially his legs.

 

He also can't fully extend one of his arms.

 

Joe Frazier definitely has the strength to lift 160 lbs, but he is completely lacking in technique.
If that athlete (pole vault) explained the technique to him for 5 minutes, Joe Frazier would lift 160 lbs every time.

 

Someone wrote once that Terry Norris could bench 350 at his 154 fighting weight much more than a Joe Frazier ever could. And Iḿ thinking so what? Do we think Terry Norris could beat Frazier in the ring? Its apples and oranges there are a lot of very athletic people in many areas that would leave elite level fighters in the dust but it doesnt matter in the ring. Michael Jordan was another species in athleticism next to Mike Tyson, but heś not beating Mike up. Great fighters need conditioning and training that applies to FIGHTING, what you see in most workout gyms has zilch to do with fighting. Why arent these Worlds Strongest man competitors getting in the ring? Because theyd be destroyed.

 

Not lower than 12% ever.

 

I think your numbers are a bit off.
Foreman was relatively thin but by fighter standards a bit flabby at 235 in his second career.
You abandoned calling him 230 then; which implicitly accepts my corrections, although better & more credibility to admit an error. People notice.

Foreman was from 38-to "late 48" in his second career.
I believe Foreman was clothed & "booted up" for one weigh in only-you can see him stripped in many others.

As I & others pointed out he was lighter because of dehydration, later in his first career he was late 220's up to the 230's.
Also I do not think you can point out any fight before his comeback where he was near or at 20% bodyfat-he usually looked under 15%, at max.

In summary, Foreman would have to lose functional muscle to weigh in as a Cruiserweight.
Tyson would be more able to make CW than Foreman, since he weighed slightly less-without coming in dehydrated.

And let's say that somehow Foreman could get down to the body fat (normally under 5%), & dehydration necessary to make CW absent shedding muscle.
Although muscle is mostly water, so it is a gray area...

It is not likely to have been good for him to do so.

 

I think I posted on this thread couple years back, who cares, Frazier would have poleaxed everyone in that room in a fight. Only thing that matters.

 

That would be very cool.

 

He actually *did* participate in a 2012 revival of the Superstars competition, and won it.

They used a few different metrics than the older ones, and I had trouble finding the scores, but I think he demonstrated some considerable athleticism nonetheless.

His sprint times would probably blow most of the 70s guys out of the water.

[url]https://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/boxing/mo-farah-anthony-joshua-100m-27558716[/url]

 

Yes, since their sprints were 100 yards not meters.
Perhaps you immediately noticed something wrong in the article.
Checking the comments others caught it:

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14 days ago
"So impressive was Joshua that he clocked a time of 11.53 seconds - numbers that would have seen him finish a remarkable seventh in the 100m final at the London 2012 Olympics." - Nick Murphy, you should correct this if you want to call yourself a sports reporter. You are catastrophically incorrect.

14 days ago

Technically he is right but VERY misleading. Only 7 finished (after dq and dnf). 6th was 9.98 and Asapha Powell pulled up injured in last place [7th] in 11.99.

Me again-AJ with practice & a better start may break 11 seconds in the 100 meters.
Excellent for a normal person by any standards.
Still not competitive with any serious sprinters.