Joe Frazier (FOTC version) vs Lennox Lewis (late 90s)

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  1. Luigi1985

    Luigi1985 Cane Corso Full Member

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    Yes, if Lewis would fight aggressive and offensive, he could put on a Foreman against Frazier. But the opposite could also be, that´s why I think Lewis would be intelligent enough to constitute his boxing skills, here he would have better chances IMO...
     
  2. Denny Cruser

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    Why do you think so? Frazier didnt has one punch power, and didnt has chin and physical power of David. So WHY Lewis would play in jabbing? I think Lewis going to kill little Joe. IMHO.
     
  3. Luigi1985

    Luigi1985 Cane Corso Full Member

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  4. Denny Cruser

    Denny Cruser Member Full Member

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    Could you list such cases. Excluding Grant fight?
     
  5. McGrain

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    I think Frazier has a pretty hellish left hook, hard enough to cause most fighters serious discomfort if it lands flush. If you look at the way the Lewis came out v Tyson - nervously, talking his time, waring his man down - and compare it to the way he met Grant - in the middle of the ring with his biggest shots - which way is he most likely to fight v Frazier? I would submit that peak Frazier is far more dangerous than the Tyson Lewis faced and there is every possibility that Lewis would indeed approach this one nervously and cautiosly. I think that could get him beat.
     
  6. Raggamuffin

    Raggamuffin You dipstick Full Member

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    I saw him try it against Bruno and Briggs but the real case was indeed against Grant.
    I stand corrected !! i was a bit premature
     
  7. Sonny's jab

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    Frazier had as much "one punch power" as Hasim Rahman, IMO.

    Also, I think Frazier was every bit as powerful as Ray Mercer, and as strong, and as good at boxing, but far better conditioned.
    I think Frazier might prove real trouble for Lennox Lewis.
     
  8. Denny Cruser

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  9. McGrain

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    It was mostly heel of hand in face against Bruno rather than holding. It was pretty horrible though, those were monster shots.
     
  10. Sonny's jab

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    Frank Bruno was the king of holding-and-hitting though.

    Lewis was a dirty fighter, no question about it. Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't he wail away on Razor Ruddock when Ruddock was down ? :lol:

    The last time I watched it, on the second KD I'm sure Lewis was hitting Razor when Razor was on his knee.
    Lewis was a bit raw in those days. He got a bit more sophisticated in his illegal moves.
    I think his gives Tyson and Holyfield a run for their money in the foul department. Tyson probably takes the crown though.
     
  11. McGrain

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    OK, i think you may be underestamating the Frazier hook a bit - having said that I don't neccesarily disagree with what you're saying. But what about Lewis? How nervous is he going to be about the hook? A lot of BS has been spoken about Lewis' chin - i know some pretty knowledgable guys who call it "glass" which is nonsense - but he does probably have the weakest chin of the very elite heavyweights. IMO Frazier's hook may make Lewis reticint enough that Frazier can make the running in the fight. It is the intabgible for the this one I think. As I said earlier i'd pick Lewis at a push, but I wouldn't be laying any monery.


    Yeah, I quite agree with you. I only use the Tyson fight as an example of what may occur in the Frazier fight.
     
  12. Denny Cruser

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    Okay man, I respect your opinion, but I think you are wrong. Hasim Rahman significantly bigger and stronger than Joe Frazier and he KOed big guys with one punch, while Frazier KOed small gyus with a number of punches. That is the difference. ;)
    If you boxed, you must know, that styles make fights, and in this department Mercer and Frazier are completely different boxers. Completely.
     
  13. Sonny's jab

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    Sorry, I probably haven't seen enough of Hasim Rahman's fights.
    I know he's bigger and stronger than Frazier, but I didn't know he had a reputation for one-punch power.
    I know he KO'd Lennox Lewis with one punch, but I cant think of the others.

    Yes, that's a fair comment.
    Joe Frazier is also completely different to anyone Lewis fought, and Lewis is completely different to anyone Frazier fought.

    So I think we dont really have a clue how they would fight against each other. It's always fun guessing though.

    :good
     
  14. Executioner

    Executioner Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I think Lewis would kill Frazier with right uppercuts like Foreman did. Lewis TKO4
     
  15. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo VIP Member Full Member

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    I understand what you're saying, but as much as Tyson was past his prime at 36, so was Lennox Lewis at 37. If we're going to make comparisons between all time greats, we have to look at when both men were in their primes. I'd take a 1971 Frazier who beat Ali vs maybe a 1992 Lennox Lewis who dusted Ruddock. If I had to pick a winner, I'd go with Lewis by mid round TKO. Lewis wouldn't under estimate Frazier the way he did Mccall and Rahman. He generally boxed pretty well against fighters with a crouching puncher's style. Look at the the Tua, Morrison, and Tyson fights. Although all these guys had varying methodologies, they probably had more similarities than people realize. Lewis, typically destroyed these types of fighters....