Joe Frazier (FOTC version) vs Lennox Lewis (late 90s)

I think Lennox Lewis was better in 1995 and '96, against Morrison and Mercer.
He improved in lots of areas. He was still too raw when he fought Ruddock, IMO.
Against Morrison was possibly his best performance ever. He was 30 at the time I think.

 

Lewis wouldn't stop Frazier early. He was a puncher who had most power at range. With Frazier coming onto the inside, bobbing real low, Lewis would not be able to get his trademark punches off. In some cases, height is a big disadvantage, and this is one. Against fighters who stand upright, the man with the better reach and jab has a massive advantage, but with Frazier, Lewis would be forced to throw punches he didn't do.

I'm not sayign Lewis couldn't stop him, but he would have to change his style. Personally, I think instead of going for the KO, he'd land weak jabs all night.

Also, would he get close knowing how good of a body puncher Frazier was? I don't know.

He has two choices in this fight. Risk going for the KO, and fighting the way Frazier wants or opting to take it easy and land jab after jab. The latter, knowing Lewis, is far more likely.

I think Frazier would outpoint him.

 

fraziers size was his advantage he was just underneath most of his opponants shoulder line...this means the jab is not the right ieght to get the full force and snap. he would get right under that long reach he could get very low and his hands were alwasy busy movingacross his face an body to parry the odd punch.

and his skills were not a class below he had too small enough reach to outbox his man. he didnt have a jab as we call it...anyways lennox won the rounds with his technical abilty to tie up and jab hit hard and his inside work.

frazier has to get inside right up close and bang the body people forget how dangerous frazier was he was very fast of hand had awsome power in both hands though his left hook was his money punch.

and his chin was not weak he was hit hard by the hardest hitters in the division for 10 years.when he fought foreman foreman did exactly what he had to do make it a street fight , push his man away and drop all the big uppercuts and hooks. dont let him come close just be the bigger man and drive him away.

frazier was easily cuaght on the outside because his reach and his defence was a purely inside working look at the ali-frazier II fight ali went on the outside and stayed well away and hugged him when he was punching. the reason why he was so hard to clinch is becuase his hands were very close to him they wernt easily grabed.


anyways i see frazier losing this by ud maybe lennox could land som big right hands but they would be in positions were frazier isnt squared with him.

a close fight but lennox man handles him pushes him away makes his bigger ,stronger build pay a price on joe's smaller though faster frame.

in the later rounds i feel frazier would of got a good flow and won the later rounds but the first 6,7,8 are all lewis's rounds

 

perfick description

 

Frazier on points,or a late stoppage...

 

Lewis was dirty for sure. The last month i've been compiling his best punches into one video and the common factor in quite some fights has been holding and hitting. The Grant fight indeed illustrates this best. He did land a punch or two when Ruddock was down but i think that was the only time it happened. The only other occasian i can think of was against Tyson, although he might have done that knowing that you have to stand up to Tyson.
Every fighter has his dirty move: Frazier hit low (the hips), Ali held behind the head, Holyfield headbutts, Lewis has his holding and hitting and Tyson, well Tyson did it it all

 

This match up is a joke - right?

I really don't know how anybody that knows anything about boxing could give Fraizer a sniff of a chance against Lewis. Lewis would KO him just like Forman did - except worse.

 

Yeah, most of the great heavyweights were dirty fighters.
It's no tea party in there.

:good

 

Lewis was bigger and thus was much stronger than Frazier. He was just as strong as young Foreman was, he'd push Frazier where he wants him to be without much trouble.

Ali landed a lot of clean punches and so did Foreman. Don't even try to persuade me Frazier was a master of defense.

He was predictable and rather primitive in his style. It could be effective, but his defense, offense, and variety of the ways he could fight, are considerably worse than Lewis'. He was a class below as a fighter.

Watch the fights vs Foreman. Lennox would push him away if he got too close and meet him with a mix of hooks and uppercuts, and he was a harder hitter than Foreman (due to having better handspeed and accuracy).

He could be stunned rather easily, by single punches being caught when he's attempting to come inside. And Lennox was a very good finisher when he was at his best.

That's exactly how Lewis is going to stop Frazier withing the first several rounds.

Even if Frazier managed to survive the first several rounds (which is very unlikely), there's nothing that suggests he had the stamina to turn up the heat later in the fight. He was weary and slower in later rounds, and easier to hit.

 

Lewis is around 2 inches taller than Ali. He is also heavier. One thing that Ali did not do much of against Frazier, was put his forearms on his shoulders. If you rest your forearms, and lean onto a shorter fighter, you take a lot of steam off their punches. The shorter fighter has to move your weight to punch. You can watch Holyfield do it to Tyson. You can even see Ruddock do it against Tyson. You don't see Ali do it that much against Frazier. I think that Lewis would lean on Frazier on he inside, and his height and jab would give Joe problems from the outside.

I rank Frazier one spot ahead of Lewis all time, but I don't think he gets him head to head. I may even switch them on my list now that I've evaluated this fight.

Lewis ko Frazier rnd 8.

 

Both men come out at a steady pace, but by round 6, Frazier turns it up. He gets inside and lands crisp bodyshots. Then around the ninth round, he concentrates on left hooks to the jaw. By the eleventh round Lewis is wasted, and his chin won't hold up. Frazier stops him late.

Joe Frazier TKO 12 Lennox Lewis:good

 

Senya, Frazier only lost to 2 fighters. To say Frazier is a class below Lewis is ****ing shite. Frazier in his prime was easily as good (better IMO) than the Holyfield Lewis fought. Lewis is going up in class to fight a prime Frazier.

 

Because those 2 fighters are a step or two above than anyone else Frazier faced. Take out Ali and Foreman, and Frazier's resume is meaningless. Holyfield (of Lewis' fights) was a more versatile, experienced and skilled fighter than any version of Frazier.

 

Meaningless????? Wwwwtttttffff are you talking about!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
Definately a way to lose credibility with that statement. Frazier defeated many good fighters, Ali, Quarry, Bonavena, Ellis, Foster, Mathis, Bugner, Chuvalo, Machen. Joe had probably 8 or 9 solid title defenses. He was also an olympic gold medalist in his amateur days. Besides, just because two of the greatest fighters in history defeated him, doesn't automatically equate to Lewis taking his head off. Foreman was nothing like Lewis. George liked to get on top of fighters like Frazier and overwhelm them with uppercuts and crosses. Lewis preffered to jab, and take guys apart from a distance, which is the type of style that Joe gave hell to guys who utilized it.

You either need to touch up on your knowledge, or don't comment on fighters from eras that you know nothing about.....