Joe Frazier gets destroyed by the KLITS!

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"He will be my 50th Knockout!"

*Stands with both hands down in front of wlad.

 

*falls to his knees repeatedly and runs in order to avoid getting KO'd*

Face it fanboy, if Haye had actually fought that night instead of running scared and plopping to his knees whenever Wlad hit him he would have been KO'd.

 

You're just close minded, Haye has always been a defensive fighter who fights on the back-foot. If you were expecting a barnburner you were simply naive.

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They were both defensive, even when Haye went to attack Wlad always backtracked, that's not a sign of a man who is looking to hunt down his opponent.

 

This statement alone is dumber than anything I could have ever said about any boxing match. Good job. You've saved me the trouble of replying to your unhinged conception of what Wlad and Frazier are capable of doing in a boxing ring.

 

If Frazier knocks prime Vitali out ,then what he does to Haye? does haye make it to the ring or he gets knocked out before ?

 

Wlad KO Frazier
Vitali UD Frazier

 

This, exactly.

Why do people always think taller fighters have all the advantages? It's mostly the opposite. All they have is (usually) a longer reach, and the ability to avoid punches by simply leaning back (as Wlad does.)

They are at a disadvantage with footwork, leverage on the punches, the ability to go to the body, the ability to fight inside, the ability to see an uppercut coming, etc etc etc.....

 

Frazier doesn't plot forward, he bobs and weaves. Ali's jab was faster and more voluminous, if Frazier got under that, he could get under Wlad's.

Foreman could barely "box" (if by that you mean look pretty behind a jab), but Ali could certainly box. Maybe that's a broad generalization that means nothing. Foreman through with Frazier in combination with shots that Wlad barely throws on their own, let alone in fluid offensive combination. Irrelevant. Again, what Foreman did to Frazier is not something Wlad does to his opponents.

Foreman's footwork and upper body movement and guard were not great, but his punching form and delivery and leverage was awesome. It's why he was the beast he was. It did not cost him his power, it bought it for him.

The biggest puncher he ever fought landed in a way Wlad would not. "Power" is not a ****ing style.

Do you not watch boxing? Knocking someone out is not what's referred to as "Physical". Using shoulders and the lead forearm to position and forceful parrying is physical, using physical strength to push back is physical.

Foster, Mathis, and Ellis would do quite well against the crop of slobs Wlad has been fighting. I don't hold it against Wlad that he has such poor competition, but the gap in skill and athletic ability is obvious. They don't just look bad against Klitschkos, they look bad against each other.

My credibility? Make a poll as to whether Wlad or Foreman hits harder, and we'll see who's credibility falters.

Frazier is not gracefully fleet-footed, but he can damn sure cut off a ring, and Wlad's wide stance actually makes him easier to corner as there's more mass on him. Just look at those GIF's Tezel posted, Haye's right hand over the top is exactly the kind of shot Frazier would land (though it's clear you believe the myth Frazier was a one-handed fighter), except he'd keep coming forward, and close the exits on that awkward side-stepping Wlad demonstrates in the other GIF.

Again, this fight will end up on the inside, and Wlad will not win the fight there.

Now run along and stop trolling :hi:

 

:deal

 

Tell it like it is, Bogo!

 

Going through the old tapes. I have to say, nobody these days sets up there combinations like Tyson did by going to the body. He wasn't simply a brawler, he was a well schooled machine in his prime.

Tyson going to body to set up his combinations.

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Mike never had a problem with taller guys, he explained in his documentary that his Jab was all about; speed & timing.

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Tyson slips underneath a right hand cross from Holmes.

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Yeah height isn't everything. If that were the case than Valuev should be the greatest fighter ever. I think for the most part you need to understand your attributes as a fighter and adjust accordingly.

Cotto with short arms is much better served to fight on the inside and go to the body (like he did in his prime) than to try and box from the outside.

A guy like Williams was better served to use his long arms to keep opponents at the end of his shots and not fight on the inside, where his reach becomes a disadvantage.

Actually a fight that shows this perfectly was Hearns-Duran. Why the **** Duran stayed on the outside is beyond me. He paid the price for it though.

 

Utterly embarrassing & gutless performance(s) from both men.

Haye, with his incessant Euro-flopping throughout the entire match.

And Wlad with his absolute refusal to throw anything other than a jab against an overmatched, B-level Cruiserweight who he holds just about every conceivable advantage in the book over.

Despicable what Heavyweight boxing has been reduced to. :verysad

Funny how this supposed ATG couldn't conjure up an effective offense that was able to pin down and land big shots against such a crude and limited boxer... while he's standing infront of you with his hands down. atsch

A big giant SuperHeavyweight with KO power in both hands defeated a B-level glass jawed Cruiserweight by landing nothing but grazing jabs on a rd-to-rd basis.

A little head movement and all of a sudden he becomes perplexed on how to establish an effective offense...

ATG technician? :rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl

 

^ Tezel's last GIF is very telling. Holmes was so worried about protecting his body, keeping his elbows low, that he could barely throw a proper punch.

Frazier would have ducked Vitali's right, thrown an OH right like Charr, to back him up. But then, unlike Charr, Frazier would have continued forward, cornering Vitali against the ropes and unleashing 3-4 crushing body shots.

The right hands Vitali used to stop Charr's onslaught would not have bothered Frazier at all. He would have just driven forward, relentlessly. It would have been a short fight.

 

I think this is they way these guys view the Kbros. They fail to realize that they have never faced a smaller man with the style and skill of a frazier or tyson. these current slack jaw bums in the division could make almost anyone look like an 8 foot monster.:bbb