Joe Frazier H2H???

I think effective might be the better word there McGrain. Not to split hairs. You could say a young early Dempsey represented a far more organized explosion, ferocity, and pressure. A speed of pressure in both hand and foot. Again, I think Dempsey might and probably does have the greatest foot-speed of any pressure HW fighter. At least that that's my understanding of him in his prime. However, Frazier used every ounce of energy in pressure fighting more effectively. There's speed, precision, and a utilization of angles. He also uses the jab a little more and better than Dempsey, and doesn't waste as much energy bopping around, rather concerting himself by constantly moving at least closer to his opposition.

 

:rofl

 

In the end styles are gonna make fights. There's no doubt Frazier is a top 5 of all time Heavyweight but his style would win some for him and lose some.

Ali- I'll give it to Ali. His speed will probably make him to hard to stop. But Ali didn't have as good of a chin back then either.
Louis- I'd give this one to Frazier. I know we all love Louis, but Joe's weakness was he was flat footed. In his biography Joe said he hated fighting pressure fighters cause he hated to be crowded. We all know pressure is Frazier's specialty.
Johnson- I think Frazier has too many skills for Jack
Marciano- I'd give it to Joe. Marciano hits harder than Joe and always has a punchers chance but Marciano leaves holes when he swings. Frazier would eat up Rocky every time he missed. And Joe has fast hands too. And with Rocky cutting really easy that it going to be a problem. I see it very well being stopped on cuts.
Holmes- I think this goes the distance, depending on whether Homes can take Frazier's body shots. But Joe could very well duck Holmes jab to get inside and go to work.
Foreman- Bottom line Foreman had Farzier's number. A swarmer is meeting a slugger that hits like a freight train. Same result Frazier gets dropped.
Dempsey- I'd give this one to Dempsey, but he had to get Frazier out early. His fast hands and combos would most likely take Joe out early.
Lewis- I think Lewis would get Joe out early and unlike Ali, Lewis could fight on the inside well. But on the other hand Lewis likes to take his time. I don't think he could handle 7-8 rounds of Joe's body shots before he goes down.
Holyfield- Holyfield's inconsistent at times and Frazier would get him on that.
Tyson- This is another one that's cut and dry. Tyson's comes out firing with vicious shots that he threw in combination's. Because Frazier takes 3-4 rounds to start "smoking" that's a problem. Tyson would take him out early. I don't see the fight lasting more than 4 rounds. But Tyson has to take him out early. We know Tyson's confidence is destroyed in late round fights.
Liston- Unlike Patterson Frazier would bob and weave and land hard shots to Liston's body and head. And Liston confidence would shatter. Frazier would be ready for the long hall.
Bowe-No comment.
Wlad-No comment
Vitali- A joke ( no disrespect)
Patterson- Very skilled but no chin. Frazier would cut off the ring and break him down. Frazier would knock him out by round 5-6.

 

Mayweather is clearly past prime now.

 

Maybe now you will see and realise the truth.

 

He'd also be a sizeable dog against Tyson...

 

Remember that we're handicapping fights, not making p4p atg lists. Frazier does not match up well with Vitali at all. Vitali's size, strength, arsenal and athleticism would be a little too much for Joe. Wlad, on the other hand, is far too robotic and does not have the proper artillery to stop a swarmer of Frazier's caliber from breaking him down and battering him into submission...In short, Wlad is predictable and has no uppercut. Two BIG NO-NO's against someone like Frazier.

 

When did VITLAY ever throw an uppercut :huh And what is this 'arsenal' that VITLAY has that you speak of? WALDO has a better arsenal than VITLAY, I'd give him a better chance against Frazier than VITLAY. Sure there's more chance of WALDO getting KO'd but at least he'd win a few rounds before it happened, I doubt VITLAY would be ahead on the cards when Frazier finally made him quit.

 

but but but he has the greatest win/loss rounds ratio in history!!!

 

Against **** :smoke

You want an impressive rounds won v rounds lost ratio then look at Roy Jones not VITLAY :good

Such a big deal is made of him being 4-2 up against Lewis.....and that's the reason all these bull**** stats got made up if truth be told, because that was a meaningful opponent, one of only 2 or 3 in VITLAYS career. The truth is the Lewis fight was more like 3-3 than 4-2 at the time of stoppage, and scorecards were ALWAYS going to be irrelevent in that one.

Is Tony Tubbs still bitching about being up on the cards against Tyson? Or Botha against Tyson? Botha has a FAR better case to be pissed about his loss than VITLAY has in my opinion, but he doesn't have nut-huggers, and he was put to sleep badly by Lewis shortly afterwards.

VITLAY and his fan-boys will still be crying about "no rematch" in 2020 because he is a *****...in reality he should be counting his blessings that the doc stopped the fight and saved his career cos make no mistake he was about to get ****ed up, BADLY.

 

Ali-W
Louis-L
Johnson-W
Marciano-L
Holmes-W
Foreman-L
Dempsey-L
Lewis-W
Holyfield-W
Tyson-W
Liston-D
Bowe-W
Wlad-W
Vitali-W
Patterson-W

 

Are you sure you aren't getting the brothers mixed up? Vitali's uppercut is excellent, he just happens to use it more in some fights than in others...

 

Vitali regularly throws 3 and 4 punch combos whereas Wlad has that ATG jab and an excellent right...but that's it. Throw in Vitali's reach and athleticism and you've got a nightmare for a fighter like Frazier.

 

What? Wlad has an amazing left hook. Ever seen the ray austin knockout? one of the best triple left hook knockouts i have ever seen. or the one punch eddie chambers knockout?

Vitali throws nothing but arm punches, he has below average technique, lacks one punch power, and paws his jab. Wlad is by far the better well rounded puncher of the two.

 

Good thread.. Personally, I rank him very highly H2H, you have to be a big puncher to beat him, and I mean big. On top of that, you have to be big enough to push him off, and create space, because he can't box from the outside. He has to be inside in order to do his damage. That being said, it's very hard to keep a 27-year old Joe Frazier off of you...
I'll put 50-50 as a draw, orange as a win, and blue as a lose.

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