Joe Frazier H2H???

The ones that are 50 - 50, are the ones I'm finding haredest to pick based on styles

Frazier's results on the right,

Ali - Lose
Louis - Win
Johnson - 50 - 50
Marciano - 50 - 50
Holmes - Win
Foreman - Lose (badly)
Dempsey - Win
Lewis - Win
Holyfield - 50 - 50
Tyson - Win (would suffer some early knockdowns, but weathers the storm to get TKO)
Liston - Lose
Bowe - Win
Wlad - Win
Vitali - Win
Patterson - Win

 

The Eddie Chambers KO was a fluke and I think I could have KO'd Austin. Trust me man, Vitali is a much more dangerous matchup for Frazier than Wlad. Wlad's jab and right hand would need to be carefully handled by Frazier but he proved, in his prime('68-'70), that he could elude better jabs than Wlad's and get inside consistently...once that happens, Smokin Joe will make Wlad wish he'd taken up another occupation.

 

I agree that Frazier is much better then the H2H always seems to work out for him. How Joe does in each fight I have listed to the right.

Ali: Ali by Dec
Louis: Louis by KO.
Johnson: Frazier dec or tko
Marciano: This is a tough one, I could see either winning but I will say Rocky
Holmes: Holmes late tko
Foreman: Foreman KO we saw it twice.
Dempsey: Frazier Dec
Lewis: Lewis Dec
Holyfield: A War, Holyfield Dec or late TKO
Tyson: Tyson KO
Liston: Liston KO
Bowe: Frazier Dec
Wlad: Frazier KO
Vitali: Frazier Dec
Patterson: Frazier KO

 

Fight night round 4 is proof Frazier has an iron chin. The best at HW. Just look at the stats he is unstoppable.

 

FNR4 attribute ratings are atrocious, Frazier was awarded a pure iron chin (92%) only equaled by Old Foreman, whereas James Toney (83%), Tyson (81%), Liston (81%) and Lewis (79%) where all given glass jaws.

 

i am a huge fan of Ali and Frazier and while Ali most certainly was still a great fighter in FOTC, he was clearly not the same guy as pre67. That is not to take anything away from Joe who was absolutely fantastic that night. I'll put it in another way, and bear in mind that i love joe;
Frazier at his best v Ali at his best = Ali win

 

i had more to say on the above post but dont know how to highlight the points in the other persons post for to make my comments

 

A peak Tyson beats Frazier 100 out of 100 times within two or three rounds. Tyson was technically a bigger and more gifted upgrade of Frazier with and even better defence.

 

I disagree, Tyson needed a little bit of room to get his shots of, whenever he was too close to an opponent he had trouble getting his shots of, Frazier would be right on top of his chest, so advantage Frazier

 

Ali: prime for prime i pick frazier
Louis: louis by tko
Johnson: didn't watch him enough
Marciano: probably marciano because frazier is blind in one eye

Holmes: frazier by decision or tko if larry fights back too much when hurt and not defend himself enough

Foreman: tko 2
Dempsey: see marciano
Lewis: lewis by tko before joe get's smokin'. lewis' reach power are too much.
Holyfield: frazier by decision in an epic war
Tyson: see marciano
Liston: see lewis
Bowe: tough one...bowe was a great inside fighter so was joe...i'll go with the more consistent frazier...
Wlad: joe frazer by knock out
Patterson: joe frazier by knockout

vitali vs frazier? vitali is a very good fighter but he's up against joe frazier. vitali's jab is not good enough to seriously deter frazier. it'll be good work for frazier but no more. vitali hits hard but does it over time. he doesn't hit super hard at once. this will be an advantage for frazier who has heart and ruggedness to take a sustained beating of medium amplitude. it's going to go to a decision. i personally go for who hits the best single shots so i'd score it for frazier but others who care for boxing points will go for vitali.

 

i strongly agree with you. tyson was an awful, awful inside fighter. he had the talent for it and showed flashes of brilliance on the inside (see tyson vs holy round 5) but most of the time showed that he couldn't fight on the inside (see tyson vs holy rounds 1-4, 6-11; tyson vs. douglas, tyson vs. smith...)

you bring up a good point...what if joe is able to dictate the fight into an inside fight like the way holyfield did? in that case, joe frazier wins easily.

however, i don't see joe being the technician and clever fox that holyfield was. i see this as a slugfest where frazier does not forbid tyson from being on the midrange. and tyson does have the better chin and the better overall two handed arsenal. he is also a very fast starter whereas smokin joe is the opposite. i do see joe mauling tyson on the inside but i don't know if he'll constantly smother tyson and force him inside like holyfield did. although joe is the greater fighter, i'm picking tyson in this head 2 head match up.

 

frazier would have never gotten beat by douglas. frazier would have made douglas look like a game contender whom the ref had to rescue in round 11. whereas tyson fought flat footed and got schooled on the inside by douglas, frazier would have bobbed and weaved the 12 rounds and made douglas pay on the inside. frazier would have also given the '96 version of holyfield a beating. tyson would have been ko'd by 1971 ali in 11 rounds.

 

Okay i'm late but-

Ali - i'd rather not do this one because of how much their careers intertwined in reality, Ali was the best heavy we've had imo.

Louis- Louis imo, Frazier's not at a terrible style advantage or anything, he could get in on Louis, but i think he'd be stopped with a combo

Johnson- Frazier would probably win, he'd have the tools to be able to work with Johnson, contrary to common opinion though- i think Johnson is one pioneer that could do well in later years

Marciano- Marciano for me

Holmes- It's 50/50 imo, Holmes would have a bit of a nightmare most likely, but either man could win, Frazier's not going to be leading with the right to counter the jab and therefore could lose a decision, i'll take Holmes but i'm not fussed

Foreman- void question

Dempsey- Frazier but i really don't know, i'm basically just making up for choosing Holmes over him here

Lewis- Lewis

Holyfield- Frazier

Tyson- Tyson

Liston- Liston

Bowe- don't know, great fight, Frazier is the one i'm leaning towards, he'd be unrelenting towards Bowe regardless of which style Bowe employs, and he has the strength to compliment that

Wlad- Frazier, one of the few fights i'm comfortable in using the word 'definitely'

Vitali- Vitali has a real chance of getting an atg win here imo, hard for me to gauge though

Patterson- Frazier by stoppage

 

fair enough points, but I still strongly believe that Frazier would weather Tyson's early barrage and go on to stop Mike late on in the fight,