Joe Frazier: Life goes on

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by general zod, Jan 23, 2012.


  1. general zod

    general zod World Champion Full Member

    6,744
    51
    Apr 7, 2010
    The plan:
    (subject to change)
    The man called Joe Frazier
    The Frazier-Ali feud
    The sad tale of Patterson I
    Joe Frazier: In the beginning
    Muhammad Ali: In the beginning
    The Frazier-Foreman fight
    The sad tale of Patterson II
    The sad tale of Patterson III
    The Thrilla in Manila
    Frazier: life goes on
    Ali, Liston and Malcolm X
    Mike Tyson goes to war
    The sad tale of Teddy Atlas




    Frazier’s life settled into the Broad Street Gym, a local fixture in the rough precinct where he had begun. His life fell into a groove,
    working with his fighters, checking into hotels, minding clocks and
    schedules. He had bought the gym from Cloverlay for $75,000 along
    with the remaining fighters under contract to the syndicate. Among
    his first fighters was a then-promising Duane Bobick, a white heavyweight;
    nothing more arouses ownership interest, and Faustian pacts
    are made in the endless search for one. Joe was getting him ready for
    a workout and slipped a right hand glove on his left hand. Accidental,
    but Bobick looked at him with disgust and said: “Yeah, and you want
    to be a trainer?” Bobick disappointed; white heavyweights invariably
    break your heart.




    Frazier: life goes on
    The Heavyweights
    A series of threads about Frazier, Ali, Patterson and Tyson

    This content is protected



    But Joe learned that you can’t be friends with fighters,
    that he’d have to grow a new, tough hide in a new, subtle game.
    He’d adopt the method used by Yank Durham on him, clever but definitely
    not subtle. Yank insisted on obedience and punctuality, no lip
    and industry; even Yank’s voice scared Joe.
    Frazier began to train his son Marvis; no problem with the dogma
    there. Marvis was a heavyweight, a good boxer who Joe tried to turn
    into a prototype of himself. Eventually, he’d get out of the ring with
    $1 million in total earnings. But Joe was having trouble with other
    young fighters. They didn’t want to be told what to do, when to do it.
    He lost a couple of good amateurs to others, and didn’t like it much;
    so much for loyalty, they didn’t even allow him to make an offer. He
    had not charged managers for training their fighters in his gym, now
    he would. “You don’t go to General Motors,” he said, “build a car and
    say it’s yours. Same thing at my gym. If you come here and learn, I
    want to make money back.” He had a young phenom, Bert Cooper, “a
    natural hitting machine.” Big things were ahead, then he lost Cooper
    to coke and the streets. Joe began to despise drugs, and would find
    how close to home they could touch.
    One of his prizes was Chandler Durham, a light-heavy and the
    son of Yank. He threw himself into the shaping of Chandler. “The boy
    could fight,” says Burt Watson, Frazier’s business manager. “But Joe
    just couldn’t bring him into line. He called Joe names, and Joe took
    it. He thought he was Joe’s equal. Joe would shake his head and say:
    ‘Your daddy’s spittin’ in the grave at the things you’re doin’.
    Chandler, too, was gobbled up by the environment. Chandler was a
    friend of Joe Jr., whom Frazier guarded like a Doberman. Joe Jr. was
    five-five, 147 pounds, and everyone who saw him not only thought
    he was a duplicate of Joe, but also found him better; his ring record
    was 15–0. “He positively walked through people,” says Watson. “One
    of the greatest talents I’ve ever seen.” Frazier knew it, his heart
    pounded with recognition of himself; he was alive, back at the hunt
    again. Until Joe Jr. slipped into a haze of drugs, with Frazier cruising
    the night streets in his car, looking for him, desperately trying to
    break his fall; he couldn’t. Joe Jr. got into trouble and was sent to
    prison for three years. Mentally, it leveled Joe to his knees.



    Next:
    Ali, Liston and Malcolm X
    This content is protected


    Dear god, proteect me from my friends; my enemies I can take care of
    -Voltaire



    Ironic, though: Clay had rushed toward the Muslims like an orphan,
    while the sect saw no utility in him, no gain, despite Malcolm X’s interest.
    Clay was a Muslim in his own mind, that’s all. Elijah Muhammad
    had forbade Malcolm to talk to Clay, though he had been cultivated by
    Muslim underlings working on their own long before Malcolm’s arrival.
    The Muslim hierarchy barely knew who Clay was, while the troops in
    Miami filled his head with dogma and privately laughed at the idea of
    Clay beating Liston. His name was also a minor point of derision at the
    Chicago headquarters. The focus there remained on Malcolm’s disobedience;
    he was meddling again and would bring ridicule to Elijah with
    his “association with a fool fighter.” Muhammad Speaks did not even
    send a reporter to cover the Liston fight. Besides, old Elijah hated boxing,
    fighters were “slaves run by fat men with cigars who stole their
    money.” No black man should perform in any capacity for a white man;
    had Clay lost he would have been dropped, or drifted away, without a
    single Muslim hand reaching for him
     
    Grapefruit and SnatchBox like this.
  2. SnatchBox

    SnatchBox Boxing Full Member

    5,426
    4,686
    Nov 26, 2016
    :periodico:
     
    Gil Gonzalez likes this.
  3. Farmboxer

    Farmboxer VIP Member Full Member

    86,106
    4,096
    Jul 19, 2004
    It's a shame Frazier always held the loss to Ali against Eddie Futch, I can understand, but Futch always put his fighters' health first, so he stopped the fight with Ali because of Frazier's injured eye.................Ali said, after the fight, he was ready to quit, so Frazier might have won the fight, we will never know, but Futch cared more about Frazier's health. Frazier never forgave Eddie. I was in Bowe's camp years ago, spent some time with Eddie Futch, we called him Papa Smurf, he was a very good man and one of the best boxing trainers ever!