Joe Frazier or Rocky Marciano : Who do you ranked higher ?

Marciano defended his title 6 times and 5 of those were against the number 1 contender. If you look at Charles,Walcott,Moore's and Lastarza's record, you would see they beat every good big, small,short and tall heavyweight to get the shot. Marciano defended against the best. I love Frazier but he had a shorter prime and I think Walcott, Moore and Charles would do a better job than Patterson did vs Quarry,Bonavena,Ellis....Frazier did have the Ali win but I think Moore, Charles, Lastarza and Walcott would wreck havok on Chuvalo, Cooper,(the Big Cat that Ali fought) Foley and Terrell,Ramos,Bob Foster, etc.

 

Ellis is a good win, perhaps Joe's third best win. Honestly though, Walcott is a much better win and a superior fighter. You're crazy for thinking a 47 Louis is only slight better than Ellis and Quarry.

I think Charles/Moore are quite comparable to an Ellis win.

 

me too

 

listons hook off the jab was amazing

 

Oh, yes he was. Watch some of hits fights. He had the best footwork and fastest feet of any hw ever bar Ali. He had KO power in both hands, great defense, timing, technique, good ring intelligence and he was a quite bit awkward. He had a good chin too. He just ad it everything and when he got his things together age already cought up with him and he still managed to become the hw champ.
Fighting while starving or on short notice of a day does not make you a better fighter, sorry.


I rate Marciano higher than Frazier. Marciano´s achievements outshine Frazier´s, without Ali, Marciano´s resume would be better, Marciano had better longevity and when it comes h2h I think Marciano would beat Frazier, better chin, less predictable defence, power in both ends - also both fighters will probably finished after that one. I rate Marciano somewhere beween 3 and 7 while Frazier rates beween 8 and 11.

 

Yes, hard lives, but most of them were well managed. Dempsey-Kearns, Louis-Blackburn, Marciano-Goldman, Ali-Dundee, Frazier-Futch, Tyson-D'Amato and so on, and so on. When Walcott finally came under good management he was over 30 and had been out of the ring for some four years. His best years was already behind him. There is no getting around that.

 

See what you mean. Rocky beat MORE big names,but Joe beat the BIGGEST name. I agree that Frazier would prevail head to head.

 

I was kind of thinking the same thing,I mean Jersey Joe and Ezzard were a slightly past it but they were still great fighters. Although fraizers win over ALi is better. Bottom line Rocky never lost. Where as Fraizer was knocked out 3X(although to Atg). In a H2H matchup though I might lean towards Fraizer he was on top during an era where the Heavys were Bigger and Athletic, He was also 20lbs heavier which might have made a diffrence.

 

Love The Rock..he had everytjing going against him...started late...short..short arms..
...clumsy....awkward.....but he learned from the great Charley Goldman...and he won...
49-0...43 KO's...