Joe Frazier Says He Would Beat Tyson

Tyson had most of his victims beat before they got into the ring. He would never have had that effect on Joe, so that's his biggest asset gone. Don't know who would win but it would be one of the greatest fights ever.

 

Tyson would be ate alive by Joe, Joe wont back up mike cant handle the pressure joe puts on him, prime vs prime Joe takes his heart in no more than 8-9 rds TKO Frazier wins.

 

Frazier wins by late round stoppage against Tyson If he survives the early rounds. Then Joe will smoke Tyson like a cheap White Owl.

 

Awesome fight but Joe is outgunned here.

 

i used to think Tyson would win. Then I watched some of Tyson's best wins...Frazier would get him.

 

I'm still picking Frazier and have already did enough analysis on the subject in the embarressing "How badly does Tyson beat Frazier" thread from a few weeks back.

However it is quite sad that it took Joe's death to see a more balanced and respectful overall thread on the subject. :-(

 

Good Post, good train of thought

 

Joe's arsenal is highly underrated. His jab, and right uppercut is being overlooked as usual. Anyways Joe had more lasting power to win in a war like this. Tyson would not win if he doesn't stop Frazier early on. I also don't think Tyson could outfight Frazier in close.

 

With no disrespect to Joe Frazier, I find this laughable. More like people feeling bad for a great champion and using their emotions to get the better of them. When Tyson passes I half expect Tyson to move into the all time pound for pound top 10.

 

Wow, isn't that kind of what I implied? :think

Though I obviously disagree with the bold as I don't feel Tyson is the more logical pick.

 

Huh? Posters picking Frazier letting their emotions getting the better of them, meaning picking Frazier to win because...they're letting their emotions get the better of them. How does that relate to what you implied? You implied that it's more balanced, swaying the vote in Frazier's favor, which I feel is wrong. That's how I took it. If you didn't imply that then I apologize for interpreting it wrong.

Edit: I understand your post now. So used to disagreeing with you I admittedly jumped at the chance. My bad. I have a question for you, of all the ATG's who do you feel Tyson should be favored over? Also what does your top 10 look like? I look forward to your response.

 

Out of every fighter who would choose to brawl with Tyson, Frazier would stand the best chance (after Foreman) to inflict damage. Frazier's chin is very underrated but Tyson's combination of speed and power will prove to be too much for Frazier to handle. I see it a lot like Foreman-Frazier, with Tyson having the same level of power as Foreman yet having a better technique and delivery system.

 

Understand you clearly Sangria.

You are right in a sense that these kind of matchups especially after Frazier's death might not bring the clearest train of thoughts to the discussion. However, I think people have a tendency to use the FOTC and the Jamaica defense against Foreman too much in these comparisons with Frazier.

In the FOTC, Frazier like I said earlier was loading up on the left hook overtime to knock out Ali because his rage almost took over the fight. It's almost umbelievable watching the FOTC again and seeing the hooks Joe threw at Ali. It's almost as if he threw his boxing skills out the window and just wanted to bang Ali out with one punch which he realized he couldn't do. Ali was a great champion and Frazier's best rounds were in the middle when he had him on the ropes and used both hands hooking to the body. Ali's greatness can be credited to Frazier's slight fears of not being able to get the job done because at one point in the FOTC, he asked Eddie and Yank, "what's keeping him up," to which Yank responded by saying "keep working him."

Against Foreman in Jamaica, Frazier was markedly slower and far from his prime weight and shape. Anyone who denies that should really take a good loke at Frazier's career overall. You could argue that he was disinterested against Foreman based on Futch's memoirs of the training sessions. There was lots of partying going on and Norton was getting the best of him in sparring. Futch even said before he died that he couldn't remember any opponent in Frazier's career that he took so lightly and gave little respect to.

Watch Joe's fights from the late 60s. Even though Bonavena dropped him twice in their first matchup, Joe was eager to prove himself and fight and yes, he did say that he was in "big damn trouble," against Bonavena, but his fighting heart and determination enabled him to outwork Oscar and win the decision which some say could have went to Bonavena. I'd like to think that the Frazier of the Ellis, Chuvalo, and Ramos fights, using his footwork, head movement, pace, pressure, jab, right hand and signature left hook would be a tough test for Tyson. One's things for sure, there would be a lot of toe-to-toe exchanges between the two fighters and perhaps Tyson gets the best of them early on. Frazier wouldn't be stopped or scared of him, likely smiles, gets up after a knockdown or two and goes back to work on Tyson. I'd still bet on the prime version of Frazier to survive Tyson's early barrage and out-work him to a late stoppage. The 73 Frazier probably doesn't make it past round 5 against Tyson.